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Originally posted by nickgusset

Would it be beneficial for kids whose bad behaviour at school can be attributed to early life trauma, witnessing domestic violence, having addicts / alcoholics as parents, being locked in their room for days on end or neglect?
These are the kind of things that kids my missus sees have been through.

I'd drop timbob a message for his advice.

 

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I've done management course with Lane 4 who are the 'official mind managers' for the FA. Not sure if they were there when Roy Hodgson was in charge.
Many companies offer NLP to their managers as part of personal development plans - evidence suggests it helps many.

I know that Roy was using Steve Peters when he was at the FA - would be interesting to see if other psychiatrist based consultants are working behind the scenes on Palace players mentality.

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In fact Steve Peters wrote that famous book on Chimp Management. I have read most of it and it is excellent.

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Also he runs his own consultancy:

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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I'm a big fan of NLP, have read lots of books on it followed the likes of Tony Robbins and would recommend his videos on YouTube for the kids. There is a slight variation called CBT but I don't know too much about that.

I've been receiving CBT for half a year as a way to deal with depression, anxiety and insomnia. I went in to it scepticaly for eight sessions and have continued ever since. The benefits of it is that I'm not on antidepressants or sleeping pills anymore which makes life easier to deal with.

When in comes to CBT I believe you have to have a strong bond with your therapist and trust them implicitly.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset
I get the feeling it's a cheaper option but have also heard it's psuedoscientific quackery that's basically a load of s***e.

It isn't supported by evidence. I'd be careful about exposing kids to this kind of mumbo jumbo.

To those of you here who seem to be in favor, I'd be interested in the evidence that helped you reach your conclusions. I've heard the anecdotes, and I don't find them persuasive, but I'd be interested to see anything empirical.

Personally I think it's dangerous, but I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise.

 

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DR. STEVE PETERS: Steven Gerrard & Roy Hodgson on bringing a psychologist in to the camp.

Would be keen to know if Roy has carried this forward to the set up he has at Beckenham. Does anyone know?

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I looked into NLP twenty years ago and found it the most useful of all the cognitive tools. I used it, along with other study skills, to help me during university exams and it improved my results compared to my A levels.

It's no guarantee of anything as what an individual's potential is and how easily they can fulfill it are of course individual realities and judgements.

I should imagine that it would be useful in sport and I'd be surprised if it wasn't being used regularly anyway.


I would hazard a guess that as we're all individuals in our own right NLP would work for some and not for others..so having the ability to accurately assessing who it would work for and who it wouldnt is probably more f a skill than being able to deliver NLP in itself (?)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 Oct 17 10.06am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I'm a big fan of NLP, have read lots of books on it followed the likes of Tony Robbins and would recommend his videos on YouTube for the kids. There is a slight variation called CBT but I don't know too much about that.

Technically its the other way around, NLP stems more from Cognitive Behaviour Therapy, and there is a lot of 'bullsh*t' around NLP, and more than a few overstatements of what it can achieve.

But it does work, if you work at it, especially in a one on one situation - it works better when you tie it into a behavioural approach, rather than just focus on language and non-verbal communication (Arguably knowing more about how to control NVC is more effective than NLP in the short term).

In my experience the problem with NLP is that it takes a lot of experience to implement, and a lot of patience and generally requires the subject to be at least partially motivated to participate - and its not really very reliable. It forms the basis of a lot of addiction therapy, and its really about retraining the mind and body, rather than reprogramming.

The way its described its often sold as a quick fix, its not. Its not so much programming as retraining.

Scientifically, on its own, its pseudo-scientific nonsense (for the most part), because a lot of the people making claims and presenting it, do so on a scale outside of controlled conditions.

But it does kind of work, its not as effective as people tend to think, because like hypnosis its very subject and situation dependent. A lot of people make claims about its effect on their confidence (for example) without realising that the act of forcing yourself to be more confident, over time will make you more confident.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 Oct 17 10.09am

Originally posted by Lyons550


I would hazard a guess that as we're all individuals in our own right NLP would work for some and not for others..so having the ability to accurately assessing who it would work for and who it wouldnt is probably more f a skill than being able to deliver NLP in itself (?)

We aren't, we're partial individuals who exist in a social context. Objectively, there is no really reliable evidence that we're independent individuals but there is a massive amount of evidence that behaviour and identity are massively influenced by our social settings.

Often when people talk about the effects of NLP they tend to forget that our environment and social context massively define who we are (stage magicians and hypnotists are very adept at manipulating this).

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 Oct 17 10.15am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Would it be beneficial for kids whose bad behaviour at school can be attributed to early life trauma, witnessing domestic violence, having addicts / alcoholics as parents, being locked in their room for days on end or neglect?
These are the kind of things that kids my missus sees have been through.

As part of trauma therapy from a clinical psychologist or psychiatrist, it could be. But more likely they'd want to tailor therapy programs to suit the individual needs and symptoms of the patient. One of the problems of CBT (from which NLP stems) is that its directed at 'fixing the symptoms' not the causes of a problem. CBT and NLP approaches to alcoholism for example, are more about dealing with the compulsion to drink and the triggers, where as say a 12 step program is more geared towards the alcoholic taking responsibility for their own life and problem with alcohol.

 


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NLP CBT etc are just the ‘tools’

Like anything it depends in whose hands the ‘tools’ are crafted

All I can say is the ‘tools’ have worked for me as a ‘ crafts person ‘ and more importantly the lovely people I have been fortunate enough to help...!

If you are looking for help please research your crafts person first, apart from their credentials please research their life experience too!

Good luck

Bw and Coyp

Tim

 

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Park Road Flag 19 Oct 17 1.04pm

I found EFT very useful any thoughts

 

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