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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 26 Nov 17 10.43am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend


Not really AOL.

Yes, Olympic athletes are banned for using drugs and labelled cheats thereafter but that is different. The rule book clearly states which substances are prohibited and then athletes are subject to rigorous system analyses to see if any of those substances are in their body. Much more fact-related and scientific.

the award of a penalty is much more subjective; much more based of interpretation.

If a system such as you describe was introduced, I could see clubs going the legal route and challenging point deductions in the courts.

Much more feasible is the instant replay review live at match time as in rugby.It's tried and tested.

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 26 Nov 17 10.44am

Can’t believe this thread is still going.

 


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View FairweatherEagle's Profile FairweatherEagle Flag London 26 Nov 17 10.45am Send a Private Message to FairweatherEagle Add FairweatherEagle as a friend

I think you get into dangerous territory if you start changing results retrospectively. Opens the door to all sorts of claims and counter claims which could get messy. I'd argue drug cheating is substantially worse and does warrant it....

Also If a team can't be sure their goal counts, it could have a negative and unfair impact on their strategy eg playing for a draw when their equalising goal is going to be wiped.

Been said before but I think the best solution is var even if it makes the game more stop start.

 

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View Aolcpfc's Profile Aolcpfc Flag Finchley, London 26 Nov 17 11.50am Send a Private Message to Aolcpfc Add Aolcpfc as a friend

Glazier and Fairweather, I think you both make very valid points.
The referee's decision is subjective as are the views of the panel that reviews the event after the match. VAR would be a major improvement.

The current system is inadequate and teams can get off very lightly, unless, of course you have a team with only one striker, when losing your only striker could be quite a blow.

 

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Harry Tuttle Flag merseyside 26 Nov 17 8.18pm

hello peeps, Everton fan here.first thing is - thats the sofftest pen i`ve seen us get but from the word go something stunk the place out.the ref was blowing up before Niasse even hit the deck, the motd commentator straight off reckoned Dann tryed to get out the way- whilst taking two steps towards Niasse! Dann played the man not the ball = penalty by all the laws of the game, yet all the media pile in (Shearer, Clattenberg etc) to control the narrative. it stinks.

 

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chateauferret Flag 26 Nov 17 8.30pm

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle

hello peeps, Everton fan here.first thing is - thats the sofftest pen i`ve seen us get but from the word go something stunk the place out.the ref was blowing up before Niasse even hit the deck, the motd commentator straight off reckoned Dann tryed to get out the way- whilst taking two steps towards Niasse! Dann played the man not the ball = penalty by all the laws of the game, yet all the media pile in (Shearer, Clattenberg etc) to control the narrative. it stinks.

Go away and read the report of the Diving Panel.

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Oh, and it would be nice if your players didn't take it in turns to foul Zaha. Dirtiest, most unsporting lot I've seen at Selhurst. As for calling *him* a diver - talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Edited by chateauferret (26 Nov 2017 8.36pm)

 


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View adrian b's Profile adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 26 Nov 17 9.03pm Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1


Not really AOL.

Yes, Olympic athletes are banned for using drugs and labelled cheats thereafter but that is different. The rule book clearly states which substances are prohibited and then athletes are subject to rigorous system analyses to see if any of those substances are in their body. Much more fact-related and scientific.

the award of a penalty is much more subjective; much more based of interpretation.

If a system such as you describe was introduced, I could see clubs going the legal route and challenging point deductions in the courts.

Much more feasible is the instant replay review live at match time as in rugby.It's tried and tested.


It doesnt matter if a club goes into litigation, does It? To do so you have to be very sure, as the result of losing can actually increase the cost.
At the moment a players wrong action has given his team a bonus, while severely affecting the other team. Now could be the time for court action. Comparisons are with events during games of rugby, where players have been injured due to the incompetents of referees. Court cases have been useful. Rugby has had to move on and use technology. But that's easy with games of natural stop/start interludes. But an awarded penalty is just that.

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 26 Nov 17 9.12pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Originally posted by Southampton_Eagle

How would you feel if we lost the replayed game?

In cricket there is the Duckworth - lewis system which predicts based on previous games what the modified run chase is so using a similar logic take points from them and give 1 or 2 to us.

 


Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

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Harry Tuttle Flag merseyside 26 Nov 17 10.09pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Go away and read the report of the Diving Panel.

[Link]

Oh, and it would be nice if your players didn't take it in turns to foul Zaha. Dirtiest, most unsporting lot I've seen at Selhurst. As for calling *him* a diver - talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Edited by chateauferret (26 Nov 2017 8.36pm)


i dont need the opinion of `experts` when i can see it with my own eyes. Dann fouled Niasse by moving into him without attempting to play the ball, (watch it and tell me if i`m wrong) Niasse` crime was to go down easy after the contact. it was a legitimate pen either way. oh, if you`re` moaning about us, just wait til you play a proper physical team

 

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View DutchEagleJohan's Profile DutchEagleJohan Flag Vlissingen, Netherlands 26 Nov 17 10.27pm Send a Private Message to DutchEagleJohan Add DutchEagleJohan as a friend

The t*** should be banned for 15 games rather then the 2 he got. If that is a foul in your book you lot should go and play indoors. That is a no contact sport.
A cheat is a cheat, so lets just call it what it is.

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


i dont need the opinion of `experts` when i can see it with my own eyes. Dann fouled Niasse by moving into him without attempting to play the ball, (watch it and tell me if i`m wrong) Niasse` crime was to go down easy after the contact. it was a legitimate pen either way. oh, if you`re` moaning about us, just wait til you play a proper physical team


 

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chateauferret Flag 26 Nov 17 11.17pm

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


i dont need the opinion of `experts` when i can see it with my own eyes. Dann fouled Niasse by moving into him without attempting to play the ball, (watch it and tell me if i`m wrong) Niasse` crime was to go down easy after the contact. it was a legitimate pen either way. oh, if you`re` moaning about us, just wait til you play a proper physical team

26 fouls in one game is the record for the season so far by quite a margin so don't bother pretending that your lot aren't thugs.

I watched it and you're wrong. The panel watched it and said you're wrong. All the TV pundits did the same. Even Willo ended up saying it was wrong FFS. So obviously you do need experts to tell you it was wrong. The panel's findings are final and your club signs up to recognising them when it agrees to play to the Laws, so what your deluded eyes reckon they saw on the screen is neither here nor there. No foul, penalty given was wrong, Niasse deceived the ref, deserves a ban. End of. No argument.

I used to have a good deal of respect for Everton but that's gone following that match. And you've destroyed it further with your disgusting attitude and lack of respect for the sport and your team's opponents. It's a shame really: they used to be entertaining, positive, sporting. What we saw a week ago Saturday - and I don't just mean that incident - was a disgrace to that reputation, built up over many years.

On another matter your coaches seem to be doing a great job of pardewing Gylfi. Keep up the good work. (Actually that's a disgrace as well; he was class.)


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chateauferret Flag 26 Nov 17 11.35pm

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

The t*** should be banned for 15 games rather then the 2 he got. If that is a foul in your book you lot should go and play indoors. That is a no contact sport.
A cheat is a cheat, so lets just call it what it is.


If that really were a foul and the ref were consistent they would have ended the match with seven men.

 


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