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View Harry Beever's Profile Harry Beever Flag Newbury 05 Dec 17 7.11am Send a Private Message to Harry Beever Add Harry Beever as a friend

Can see both sides of this argument. It’s important to examine the facts, which personally I’m not familiar with. If Muslim men are disproportionately represented among the rape crime figures then we have a serious cultural issue that needs to be addressed. If they are not then we appear to have a serious racism issue that needs to be addressed. It is essential that authorities don’t ignore facts and turn a blind eye though, for fear of someone accusing them of racism for even looking at it. Clearly there are some idiots who tarnish all Muslims with the same brush and feel they are all a threat to “British” society and clearly there are some idiots who tarnish anyone who expresses any concerns as racists. Interesting definitions of the “elite”. I wouldn’t say it’s defined as a public school education, I would define it as the top earners and politicians, anyone at the top of the social tree with power to affect those beneath them. Some being from public school.

 

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Park Road Flag 05 Dec 17 8.30am

When you have common sense and are aware of your surroundings, listening to the very articulate and intelligent and interesting Douglas Murray is a breath of fresh air.

However, if you are from that ilk of apologising, and labeling and not being able to see past your own blinkered political stance, then this is was you hear.
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View danny choo choo's Profile danny choo choo Flag hayes 05 Dec 17 11.17am Send a Private Message to danny choo choo Add danny choo choo as a friend

Originally posted by Park Road

When you have common sense and are aware of your surroundings, listening to the very articulate and intelligent and interesting Douglas Murray is a breath of fresh air.

However, if you are from that ilk of apologising, and labeling and not being able to see past your own blinkered political stance, then this is was you hear.
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View danny choo choo's Profile danny choo choo Flag hayes 05 Dec 17 11.33am Send a Private Message to danny choo choo Add danny choo choo as a friend

Originally posted by Harry Beever

Can see both sides of this argument. It’s important to examine the facts, which personally I’m not familiar with. If Muslim men are disproportionately represented among the rape crime figures then we have a serious cultural issue that needs to be addressed. If they are not then we appear to have a serious racism issue that needs to be addressed. It is essential that authorities don’t ignore facts and turn a blind eye though, for fear of someone accusing them of racism for even looking at it. Clearly there are some idiots who tarnish all Muslims with the same brush and feel they are all a threat to “British” society and clearly there are some idiots who tarnish anyone who expresses any concerns as racists. Interesting definitions of the “elite”. I wouldn’t say it’s defined as a public school education, I would define it as the top earners and politicians, anyone at the top of the social tree with power to affect those beneath them. Some being from public school.

both sides? one side is the people with common sence who are reacting on what they see and go on facts and statistics who just won't a proper open debate and are not scared of higlighting what is going on, the other side are people who are either blinkerred appologists who dont won't to listen to anything that they find dufficult talking about and cry rascist and islamaphobe at the earliest opportunity and indoing so stifle debate and ignore the important issues we face and only add fuel to the f*** witt racsist c***s that do exist and they are happy just to carry on in their sugar coated fluffy lifes.

 

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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 05 Dec 17 11.39am Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Horrible writer, reputation for being facts that are at best misleading and and worst flat out lies.
Women are now able to report rape and sexual assault a lot easier than they used to, therefore reports of rape have gone up drasticly. The far right try to tie that fact in with the rise of 'something' to sell an agenda. Flavour of the month is still muslims but in a few years it will be something else. There is no more rise in sexual assault due to muslims any more than there is a rise in sexual assault amongst tv personalities, there are just more people speaking out. In that respect society is getting better, not worse.
'Bad news syndrome' is getting a bit out of hand and the writer plays up to it to a staggering degree, he has aimed at the people that prefer their racism with tea and crumpets at the local parish rather than the angry racists down the pub but it is still lazy exploitation.
Im not saying its factually useless, im saying it should not be taken any more seriously than 'my bookywook' by Russell Brand

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 17 11.40am

Originally posted by danny choo choo

both sides? one side is the people with common sence who are reacting on what they see and go on facts and statistics who just won't a proper open debate and are not scared of higlighting what is going on, the other side are people who are either blinkerred appologists who dont won't to listen to anything that they find dufficult talking about and cry rascist and islamaphobe at the earliest opportunity and indoing so stifle debate and ignore the important issues we face and only add fuel to the f*** witt racsist c***s that do exist and they are happy just to carry on in their sugar coated fluffy lifes.

It's a shame you don't spend as much energy railing about this as well.

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Yes there have been problems with Muslim grooming gangs. They're cunds. I don't know where you are getting the idea of apologist comes from. It's nearly made the bingo card. Explain how exactly I am an apologist because I see these heinous crimes being used by far right groups as part of their islamaphobe armoury?

When are the FLA coordinating a march with anti terror Muslim groups?

 

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Park Road Flag 05 Dec 17 11.58am

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's a shame you don't spend as much energy railing about this as well.

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Yes there have been problems with Muslim grooming gangs. They're cunds. I don't know where you are getting the idea of apologist comes from. It's nearly made the bingo card. Explain how exactly I am an apologist because I see these heinous crimes being used by far right groups as part of their islamaphobe armoury?

When are the FLA coordinating a march with anti terror Muslim groups?

As stated countless times before, the FLA are open to all. This includes, Religious folk of all creeds and races, women, working to upper class.
So, if anti terror Muslim groups want to join us on next march there more than welcome, just like when SUTR were invited but declined.

You can't twists peoples arms to come on marches but they can certainly read the ethos of FLA and make their own minds up.

A task made more difficult when so much fake news is said about them

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

It's a shame you don't spend as much energy railing about this as well.

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Yes there have been problems with Muslim grooming gangs. They're cunds. I don't know where you are getting the idea of apologist comes from. It's nearly made the bingo card. Explain how exactly I am an apologist because I see these heinous crimes being used by far right groups as part of their islamaphobe armoury?

When are the FLA coordinating a march with anti terror Muslim groups?

thats a bit presumptuous and ignorant of you? how do you know i dont spend time and money in donating to a group who actively seek these sick vile people? do you?

like ive said many times before and have mentioned on the FLA group i have put forward the notion of marching with and welcoming the Ahmadhy people in the future. in fact one such post about the Ahmadhy sect selling poppies and their women members protesting against terroism on Westminster bridge after that attack recieved over 1000 likes and hundreds of welcoming comments.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Dec 17 1.01pm

Originally posted by danny choo choo

both sides? one side is the people with common sence who are reacting on what they see and go on facts and statistics who just won't a proper open debate and are not scared of higlighting what is going on, the other side are people who are either blinkerred appologists who dont won't to listen to anything that they find dufficult talking about and cry rascist and islamaphobe at the earliest opportunity and indoing so stifle debate and ignore the important issues we face and only add fuel to the f*** witt racsist c***s that do exist and they are happy just to carry on in their sugar coated fluffy lifes.

You know, that you've effectively contradicted yourself here, by entirely labelling those who are critical of your views as being blinked, apologists etc etc - and effectively coming across as being blinkered, not interested in what the other sides and perspectives of the argument etc.

Yes, there are people on all sides of an argument that are only interested in wining and their agendas (rather than being right or approaching the truth).

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Dec 17 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You know, that you've effectively contradicted yourself here, by entirely labelling those who are critical of your views as being blinked, apologists etc etc - and effectively coming across as being blinkered, not interested in what the other sides and perspectives of the argument etc.

Yes, there are people on all sides of an argument that are only interested in wining and their agendas (rather than being right or approaching the truth).

There is a lot of truth in that but unfortunately, there is one side of the argument that obfuscates, employs whataboutery and makes accusations of 'racism' whether the truth be told or not. They are not interested in the truth, only protecting their precious ideology, even if it ultimately means screwing themselves at the same time.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Dec 17 1.18pm


I think the issue of the right is the tendency to conflagrate the actions as some, as the actions of an entire group in society. In this case, notably child raping pimps and terrorists, with being a common trait of Muslims in general, rather than the exception. Whilst meanwhile seeing any criticism of this as being apologist, even though its a valid criticism that in fact that the correlation is being made out outliers in a community (as most muslims are not in the business of pimping out and raping children, nor terrorists).

Of course, rather than find a reasonable ground between these two, both sides seem to want to rally around the loudest shouting idiots waving their agenda flags, rather than embrace a reality.

Yes, there is most certainly a problem relating to organised child sex gangs in the UK, which has been linked to Muslim gangs. And of course the primary threat of terrorism is from specific sects within Islam.

Of course we should prosecute all child sex offenders, and those who exploit children for sex, irrespective of their religion. Same as we should with those involved in acts of terrorism, or supporting terrorism.

However, the key here is proportional response. Yes, the authorities let those girls down, just as they did in the 80s and 90s with abuse in childhomes, the sixties and the 70s, with celebrity sex offenders.

And those authorities, who's 'blind eye' that allowed these scandalous continuity of offences to occur were not Muslims. We know that pedophiles are not restricted by ethnicity or religion but predilection.

The real problem here isn't just the nonces per se, but those who have spend all their time looking away in the Social Services and the Police, who have completely failed in their responsibility. A nonce is a nonce - they're wrong un's. But those responsible for those girls, aren't.

As long as we just play on the Muslim aspect, we'll end up creating a new environment where nonces can hide away and rape kids. It'll just be a different group next time.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Dec 17 1.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is a lot of truth in that but unfortunately, there is one side of the argument that obfuscates, employs whataboutery and makes accusations of 'racism' whether the truth be told or not. They are not interested in the truth, only protecting their precious ideology, even if it ultimately means screwing themselves at the same time.

Nah, both sides are doing that. What people probably don't realise is that they're playing into the kind of polarisation of issues, that the far right and the far left use as a means of removing the middle ground.

 


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