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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Dec 17 2.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm illustrating the point that we can rationalise anything if we try hard enough but the fact is that as a White British person I'm angry when a significant numbers of immigrants come here and start raping young British girls. It's that simple.

And then you have people with self interest telling us that it is all being used to fuel right wing propaganda and we should be more concerned about that. This is all the more ironic as this is exactly the kind of reason why people spoke out against mass immigration in the first place and were accused of being bigots and paranoid.

Significant, compared to what though? I'm not going to say there isn't a problem with Grooming gangs, but its a bit of a stretch to say a significant percentage of migrants are rapists?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Dec 17 2.35pm

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Not so much - I was thinking more people who's relatives were transported as slaves, and live in countries where there is still significant racial inequality.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Significant, compared to what though? I'm not going to say there isn't a problem with Grooming gangs, but its a bit of a stretch to say a significant percentage of migrants are rapists?

Well significant is a subjective phrase I suppose.

Certainly, a minority of immigrants are rapists as you would expect in a population but relative to the total population, there seems to be a large number of separate incidences of mass organised rape among Muslims. Something that is unheard of in the wider population.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Significant, compared to what though? I'm not going to say there isn't a problem with Grooming gangs, but its a bit of a stretch to say a significant percentage of migrants are rapists?

So what is significant then.
Ask the girls if 1% is significant.
I'm sure that it is a lot lower than this but to the victims any amount.
It's the word you are discecting not looking at the issue.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 17 3.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well significant is a subjective phrase I suppose.

Certainly, a minority of immigrants are rapists as you would expect in a population but relative to the total population, there seems to be a large number of separate incidences of mass organised rape among Muslims. Something that is unheard of in the wider population.

And 100% of type two offences are by white people. Type two offences are something unheard of in the Muslim community. Bearing in mind that type two offences are far more prevalent, why are the ones involving Muslims far more prevalent in people's minds and the media? To misquote Ali G, is it coz they iz brown?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Dec 17 4.00pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So what is significant then.
Ask the girls if 1% is significant.
I'm sure that it is a lot lower than this but to the victims any amount.
It's the word you are discecting not looking at the issue.

As were talking criminology and sociology then it'd probably be Statistical Significance (wiki defines this as [Link]

The issue? I'm not one for focusing on specific instances of child sex offences, I find them all abhorant and in need of focus. Grooming gangs are a part of a much bigger issue

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 17 4.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The problem is within the Muslim community. Just like terrorism.
This apologetic attitude is what allowed it to be hidden under the carpet for so long.

The problem is within the white community for type 2 paedophiles. Just like the fact one third of terrorist offences are by right wing groups. By consistently pointing out type 1 offenders you have an apologetic attitude towards white perpetrators of type 2 offences. It also shows how little regard you have for the victims.

Just further evidence to my mind that for some, it's not about the crime , it's about who did it.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Dec 2017 4.06pm)

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

The problem is within the white community for type 2 paedophiles. Just like the fact one third of terrorist offences are by right wing groups. By consistently pointing out type 1 offenders you have an apologetic attitude towards white perpetrators of type 2 offences. It also shows how little regard you have for the victims.

Just further evidence to my mind that for some, it's not about the crime , it's about who did it.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Dec 2017 4.06pm)

The scale of the crime by so called right wing ( you don't normally advocate left and right nick, maybe you've been on the juice) is nothing like the Islamist attacks. Mainly because the right wing is against one type of person or religion.
Islamist is against anyone who breathes and is in their way.
How can you not see a difference.
I got done for speeding over tower bridge 24 mph in a 20mph
Is this the same as 79mph in a 30mph.
With your logic it is
Both illegal yes but seriousness differs.
Cause and effect.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 18 Dec 17 10.51am

Originally posted by cryrst

The scale of the crime by so called right wing ( you don't normally advocate left and right nick, maybe you've been on the juice) is nothing like the Islamist attacks. Mainly because the right wing is against one type of person or religion.
Islamist is against anyone who breathes and is in their way.
How can you not see a difference.
I got done for speeding over tower bridge 24 mph in a 20mph
Is this the same as 79mph in a 30mph.
With your logic it is
Both illegal yes but seriousness differs.
Cause and effect.

Ok - but that's terrorism, we're discussing findings regarding child sex offenders. Type 1 offenders, whilst despicable and abhorrent, is where there is a proliferation of Asian demographics (Grooming gangs) whilst Type 2 child sex offenders, the more common cause of abuse offences, is predominately White in ethnicity.

However, the focus seems to be, repeatedly, on the Type 1 offenders - and there is a specific danger in that by creating a focus increases political pressure to deal with the first, we'll also lose focus on the latter.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 18 Dec 17 11.16am

Originally posted by cryrst

The scale of the crime by so called right wing ( you don't normally advocate left and right nick, maybe you've been on the juice) is nothing like the Islamist attacks. Mainly because the right wing is against one type of person or religion.
Islamist is against anyone who breathes and is in their way.
How can you not see a difference.
I got done for speeding over tower bridge 24 mph in a 20mph
Is this the same as 79mph in a 30mph.
With your logic it is
Both illegal yes but seriousness differs.
Cause and effect.

I disagree, whilst the threat to life from the Far Right is much lower, the degree to which it has the capacity to influence the UK way of life and democratic institutions is much higher. Far Right groups don't tend to 'claim responsibility' in the way that Islamist groups do - nor do they claim wide allegence.

As we saw with the NSU in Germany, a small independent, funded cell, operated for over a decade and resulted in a number of acts of political violence without even appearing on the law enforcement radar (or domestic security services).

Similarly, the UK police and anti-terrorist police, 'know' that Combat-18 in the UK has committed a number of murders, but have only ever managed to prove cases in terms of some internal disputes within the organisation.

That said, it would be unreasonable to consider that Far Right Terrorism is as major issue to security services as Islamist groups (notably related to Al-Qaeda affiliates and in support of IS).

The problem really, is that because the far right groups don't operate as openly, its very difficult to accurate determine whether something that has occurred is directly attributable to underground far right militants - and these groups tend to be far more sophisticated and entrenched in society - They don't have 'official memberships', and their members when arrested don't claim membership.

Far Right militants also don't have membership of established far right political groups, and usually have left when they became active. A common trend in those who commit actions of politicalised or racially motivated violence, is that they have a history among the far right, but no overt memberships.

Combat 18 has no official membership. Groups tend to be self organised, and affiliated - rather than a specific centralised organisation (similar to how Eco-Terrrorist and the Animal Liberation Front operate).

Also not all Islamist terrorism is aimed at us either - Only some of the Islamist groups are engaged in direct terrorism against the UK (indeed some Islamist groups, who are arguably terrorist groups, were fighting against IS in Syria - i.e. Shia Militias).

Its a complicated mess. But like Irish Republicianism, I don't think we can drop a focus on Islamist terrorism or Right Wing threats in the UK.

 


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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Funny but true cartoon on how the left react to criticism to Muslims. [Link]

Spot on.

Whataboutery central.

 

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