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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Dec 17 2.10pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Do you have any evidence for this sweeping statement?

The fact that the religion keeps getting mentioned is somewhat interesting. They don't tend to do that for Christian child rapists.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The fact that the religion keeps getting mentioned is somewhat interesting. They don't tend to do that for Christian child rapists.

That's because Christianity is observed casually or not at all by most people and this is a 'Christian' country. Therefore, it is not a reference that is used for what is the majority of people. There is only a small minority of Muslims, some of whom are responsible for a remarkably disproportionate level of rape and child abuse.

Of course their religion is going to be highlighted by the non Muslim majority.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Dec 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's because Christianity is observed casually or not at all by most people and this is a 'Christian' country. Therefore, it is not a reference that is used for what is the majority of people. There is only a small minority of Muslims, some of whom are responsible for a remarkably disproportionate level of rape and child abuse.

Of course their religion is going to be highlighted by the non Muslim majority.

You mean its highlighted, because its exceptional or different than the norm. Interestingly, we never make that jump with serial killers (who are almost entirely white).

Yeah, there is a problem with Muslim grooming gangs in the UK, I don't think there anything untrue about that - But its not really significant that they're Muslims per se, any more than being Catholic is significant to crimes committed by the Mafia - Organised crime tends to always be along familiar and ethnic lines.

But the problem isn't because they're Muslim.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You mean its highlighted, because its exceptional or different than the norm. Interestingly, we never make that jump with serial killers (who are almost entirely white).

Yeah, there is a problem with Muslim grooming gangs in the UK, I don't think there anything untrue about that - But its not really significant that they're Muslims per se, any more than being Catholic is significant to crimes committed by the Mafia - Organised crime tends to always be along familiar and ethnic lines.

But the problem isn't because they're Muslim.


That is a presumption on your part. Whatever the case, it is significant because of association, in the same way that the Mafia were Sicilian.

 

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Park Road Flag 15 Dec 17 3.27pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The fact that the religion keeps getting mentioned is somewhat interesting. They don't tend to do that for Christian child rapists.


Who are they?

Surely the abuse of Catholic priests on children has been mentioned at sometime, somewhere.

Edited by Park Road (15 Dec 2017 3.28pm)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Dec 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by Park Road


Who are they?

Surely the abuse of Catholic priests on children has been mentioned at sometime, somewhere.

Edited by Park Road (15 Dec 2017 3.28pm)

Tellingly, the phrase Catholic is used, denoting a specific section of Christian, but no such term is used for Muslims.

Either way, its a moot point, the priority should be to root out and find any one involved in the sexual exploitation or abuse of children (any children).

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Dec 17 4.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


That is a presumption on your part. Whatever the case, it is significant because of association, in the same way that the Mafia were Sicilian.

Not in the US. In the American Mafia, being Sicilian was only a requirement until around the 30s. The US Mafia requirement for made men is only Italian heritage (and even in its heyday of the 20s to the 60s a number of Jewish mobsters were effectively part of the US mafia - Notably Mayer Lanskey).

Only in Italy is the Mafia specifically Sicilian - But that's more due to the fact that Italian organised crime tends to be regional (The Camora in Naples, N'Draghata in Calabria, Sacra Corona Unita in Apulia.

Outside of Italy these organisations tend to be referred to as the Mafia, and overseas they're certainly less distinct (although a lot of what people call the Mafia are actually N'drangheta)

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Tellingly, the phrase Catholic is used, denoting a specific section of Christian, but no such term is used for Muslims.

Either way, its a moot point, the priority should be to root out and find any one involved in the sexual exploitation or abuse of children (any children).

Much in the same way that there are different 'types' of Muslims.
Look at the killing of certain ones in other countries.
White people all look the same and are presumed the same to other ethnic populations I reckon.
And being Muslim is I think denoted from the Islamic religion much the same as your Christianity line about Catholics so how should Muslim gangs be described then.
They all look the same to me as well.

 

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Park Road Flag 15 Dec 17 5.03pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Tellingly, the phrase Catholic is used, denoting a specific section of Christian, but no such term is used for Muslims.

Either way, its a moot point, the priority should be to root out and find any one involved in the sexual exploitation or abuse of children (any children).


Sunni Islam and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam.

Isn't this denoting Muslims/islam? Tellingly

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Not in the US. In the American Mafia, being Sicilian was only a requirement until around the 30s. The US Mafia requirement for made men is only Italian heritage (and even in its heyday of the 20s to the 60s a number of Jewish mobsters were effectively part of the US mafia - Notably Mayer Lanskey).

Only in Italy is the Mafia specifically Sicilian - But that's more due to the fact that Italian organised crime tends to be regional (The Camora in Naples, N'Draghata in Calabria, Sacra Corona Unita in Apulia.

Outside of Italy these organisations tend to be referred to as the Mafia, and overseas they're certainly less distinct (although a lot of what people call the Mafia are actually N'drangheta)

Very interesting, but beside the point. As you suggested, they are working together because of close association but began in one region, created by one nationality that then spread to other countries via mass migration.
Religion is a factor simply because they are Muslim and their victims are not. It is typical of the arrogant and dispariging attitude that one religion has towards people of another, based on it's selective morality.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Dec 17 5.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Very interesting, but beside the point. As you suggested, they are working together because of close association but began in one region, created by one nationality that then spread to other countries via mass migration.
Religion is a factor simply because they are Muslim and their victims are not. It is typical of the arrogant and dispariging attitude that one religion has towards people of another, based on it's selective morality.

I don't think it's a religious thing. Traveller grooming gangs never picked on traveller children back in the day. More a case of not abusing your own I reckon.
Also easier to dehumanize when they're different to you.

 

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Park Road Flag 15 Dec 17 5.47pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I don't think it's a religious thing. Traveller grooming gangs never picked on traveller children back in the day. More a case of not abusing your own I reckon.
Also easier to dehumanize when they're different to you.

Where did you get this information from? Are you talking about Irish or Roma gypsy? When talking about travellers.

 

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