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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 23 Apr 21 10.15pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't have an issue in naming them! Nor do the Courts. Let people draw their own conclusions if they wish to.

I mean naming them by origin. Itís been proven so the fact it might hurt some peopleís feelings is irrelevant. Their feelings arenít being hurt as much as those of the victims, past, present, or God forbid, future.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 21 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I mean naming them by origin. Itís been proven so the fact it might hurt some peopleís feelings is irrelevant. Their feelings arenít being hurt as much as those of the victims, past, present, or God forbid, future.

Apart from making you feel better please explain why naming their origins will help anything, or anyone, especially their victims?

Surely what matters most is to ensure that anyone contemplating such despicable behaviour is discouraged from doing so. That must be helped if we can ensure that the community they come from doesn't cover up for, or hide them. We need them to be outcasts everywhere. Isolate them as the criminals they are. It takes effort and time but we can all help by thinking things through.

I just see nothing positive at all in continuing to use ethnicity as a descriptive and potential benefits from stopping it.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 23 Apr 21 11.00pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Apart from making you feel better please explain why naming their origins will help anything, or anyone, especially their victims?

Surely what matters most is to ensure that anyone contemplating such despicable behaviour is discouraged from doing so. That must be helped if we can ensure that the community they come from doesn't cover up for, or hide them. We need them to be outcasts everywhere. Isolate them as the criminals they are. It takes effort and time but we can all help by thinking things through.

I just see nothing positive at all in continuing to use ethnicity as a descriptive and potential benefits from stopping it.

Before their activities were widely known how many from that community went to the authorities to report this activity?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Apr 21 6.54am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who really knows how many would feel offended and how deeply? There are always going to be some in the middle who would swing towards supporting the authorities if they feel supported by them and the other way if they feel abused by them.

Why take the risk? What is the benefit? Is it greater than the risk. My instinct is that it isn't and that this careless use of language is not being thought through. Particularly by the tabloid press who like a good headline to wind up their readership.

But itís not only the tabloid press and posters on here calling them pakistani gangs is it

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Apr 21 6.56am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Before their activities were widely known how many from that community went to the authorities to report this activity?

Certainly if any wife/mother suspected their ďmanĒ of these crimes, they would not have reported it, women in pakistani culture are very much hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 24 Apr 21 7.26am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So long as they aren't breaking the law then describing them as pakistani cricket supporters seems accurate and inoffensive.

I am not in the least reluctant to "admit the heritage"! You, and others, are completely missing the point.

The point is whether it is helpful to class them as such in the context of criminal behaviour?

Does it aid prosecution? Does it deter others? Or does it risk alienating good people by tarnishing them.

If the answers are, no, no and yes then why do it?

No it does not risk alienating good people, no one has even suggested all pakistanis are rapists and they aren't.

If one single girl is saved from being raped by being more informed you must agree that's a good thing. You would rather make life easier for potential victims not harder, right ?

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 24 Apr 21 7.36am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

How many times. Answer my question. Donít deflect with another question.

I did.
Are you struggling to answer mine? Still waiting for you to tell me what TR has said that is racist?

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 24 Apr 21 8.16am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have no idea what "question" you think I haven't answered. I have already answered your attempts to throw mud about my description of an undertone in the debate. I know of nothing else.

The question, as you well know' was 'why do you think its ok for you to use the term P**i in your earlier post when you spend so much time telling others not to use the word pakistani?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 24 Apr 21 9.13am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

re read your post...'if you want a private debate use PM' ??

Edited by the silurian (23 Apr 2021 10.17am)

Donít be thick. Letís try again. If you donít want me to join in a debate you are having with someone else donít have that debate with someone else on an open forum.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Apr 21 10.04am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Before their activities were widely known how many from that community went to the authorities to report this activity?

I don't know. Do you? If not, why not and what must we do about it?

That there remains, at least the perception of, intimidation, especially of women by certain men, within some communities seems obvious.

Overcoming that has to be one of the aims.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Apr 21 10.10am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

But itís not only the tabloid press and posters on here calling them pakistani gangs is it

That's true but it doesn't make it a wise thing to do.

I learned long ago that sometimes people don't think hard enough about the consequences of things and just follow the herd. Being in a minority of one has never concerned me either.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Apr 21 10.14am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't know. Do you? If not, why not and what must we do about it?

That there remains, at least the perception of, intimidation, especially of women by certain men, within some communities seems obvious.

Overcoming that has to be one of the aims.

To coin a phrase itís Catch-22. If no one came forward then why not? If they did then why was nothing done about it?
I agree the fear of ostracisation, or worse, within the community outweighs everything else. How to resolve that problem is beyond me.

 

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