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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Apr 21 6.18pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Donít be thick. Letís try again. If you donít want me to join in a debate you are having with someone else donít have that debate with someone else on an open forum.

TBF you have had a go at me for the same. Whatís good for the goose

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Apr 21 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I had absolutely nothing to do with any kind of "mass immigration" I was neither for, or against it.

Immigration has been a consistent part of our collective experience throughout my lifetime.

Things happen. An ageing population, falling birth rates, a history of Empire and promises made. These things have intensified demand and provided willing people to meet it. The Eastern European influx changed the dynamics.

People like me created nothing. The situation created the need.

That, with the benefit of hindsight it ought to have been managed better is something I can agree with, as I guess do most people. It wasn't and we are now where we are.

In a previous response I asked for practical, legal solutions. What you offer is just ridiculous rhetoric which is no better than the stupidity routinely served up by Yaxley-Lennon.

It might make you feel better to expel the hot air but it doesn't move us any closer at all to finding a way forward. As such it's worse than a waste of time. It delays finding things that can actually contribute. Legally and practically.

Now maybe we ought to get back on thread. How's Mr Yaxley-Lennon's latest trial going?

We are now where we are because we did nothing to stop it. We were governed by idiots like you who said that objectors were just using 'ridiculous rhetoric'. They were and are still branded as racists.

Hindsight was unnecessary. The impending disaster was as clear as day long before it happened.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 21 8.11am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We are now where we are because we did nothing to stop it. We were governed by idiots like you who said that objectors were just using 'ridiculous rhetoric'. They were and are still branded as racists.

Hindsight was unnecessary. The impending disaster was as clear as day long before it happened.

There is no impending disaster! There is a challenge to overcome, which we will rise to and eventually succeed in handling.

Sitting at keyboards moaning won't achieve anything at all. Playing a blame game is pointless. Anyone can do that and point fingers at all kinds of things they believe have been political mistakes. Anyone for Brexit? We need to move on and accept what is and also what can practically, legally and morally be done about it.

We need to think positively and find ways to turn what looks to you like a disaster into an opportunity.

Optimism will always triumph over pessimism, given the right environment.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Apr 21 10.01am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There is no impending disaster! There is a challenge to overcome, which we will rise to and eventually succeed in handling.

Sitting at keyboards moaning won't achieve anything at all. Playing a blame game is pointless. Anyone can do that and point fingers at all kinds of things they believe have been political mistakes. Anyone for Brexit? We need to move on and accept what is and also what can practically, legally and morally be done about it.

We need to think positively and find ways to turn what looks to you like a disaster into an opportunity.

Optimism will always triumph over pessimism, given the right environment.

The formerly impending disaster has already happened. We are living in it.

You are someone who tries to spin details and deny responsibility while the whole mass immigration scandal is still happening year on year.
You want to overlook the actual reason why thousands of British girls have been raped and abused. You claim it's 'not helpful' to recognize the single clear and obvious cause.
You don't think it's reasonable to stop the flow of these undesirable types and deport the criminals.

You might find very many who disagree. They want to protect what is dear to them instead of pretending that they are morally and intellectually superior.

Well that so called superiority got us where we are now.
You and your type have been played.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 21 10.35am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The formerly impending disaster has already happened. We are living in it.

You are someone who tries to spin details and deny responsibility while the whole mass immigration scandal is still happening year on year.
You want to overlook the actual reason why thousands of British girls have been raped and abused. You claim it's 'not helpful' to recognize the single clear and obvious cause.
You don't think it's reasonable to stop the flow of these undesirable types and deport the criminals.

You might find very many who disagree. They want to protect what is dear to them instead of pretending that they are morally and intellectually superior.

Well that so called superiority got us where we are now.
You and your type have been played.

I don't have a "type"! My opinions are my own.

There is no "disaster", other than in the minds of those who want there to be one. There are problems. That's nothing new. There have always been problems and always will be. They just vary with the generations. Many of our father's generation thought disaster was about to befall them, with us being subjugated by Nazi Germany, whilst others welcomed the prospect. Most though pulled up their sleeves and worked collectively to resist and, with the help of friends, prevailed.

That's what we need to do now. Not just complain and propose unworkable solutions. If "stopping the flow" was a realistic proposition it would have been done years ago. We are controlling what we can. Nor can we just deport people at will. There are international conventions to respect alongside the fact that many of those you wish to deport are now legally as British as you or me, without any other place to go. These problems are ours to deal with.

There is no moral or intellectual superiority involved. Just realism. People can "want" all they wish but if what they "want" is unrealistic they need to rethink what is actually possible and then join in the efforts to ensure it happens quickly.

Only in this way can the protection for all these young women you claim to be your motivation actually be accomplished.

Bashing a keyboard does nothing at all to help anyone.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Apr 21 10.57am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't have a "type"! My opinions are my own.

There is no "disaster", other than in the minds of those who want there to be one. There are problems. That's nothing new. There have always been problems and always will be. They just vary with the generations. Many of our father's generation thought disaster was about to befall them, with us being subjugated by Nazi Germany, whilst others welcomed the prospect. Most though pulled up their sleeves and worked collectively to resist and, with the help of friends, prevailed.

That's what we need to do now. Not just complain and propose unworkable solutions. If "stopping the flow" was a realistic proposition it would have been done years ago. We are controlling what we can. Nor can we just deport people at will. There are international conventions to respect alongside the fact that many of those you wish to deport are now legally as British as you or me, without any other place to go. These problems are ours to deal with.

There is no moral or intellectual superiority involved. Just realism. People can "want" all they wish but if what they "want" is unrealistic they need to rethink what is actually possible and then join in the efforts to ensure it happens quickly.

Only in this way can the protection for all these young women you claim to be your motivation actually be accomplished.

Bashing a keyboard does nothing at all to help anyone.

I suspect very many of those that have qualified for British Citizenship have also kept their original Citizenship, for ease of travel back, and other reasons. Therefore they could have their BC revoked and deported. If they have relinquished their previous Citizenship then deportation would be impossible

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 21 11.13am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I suspect very many of those that have qualified for British Citizenship have also kept their original Citizenship, for ease of travel back, and other reasons. Therefore they could have their BC revoked and deported. If they have relinquished their previous Citizenship then deportation would be impossible

I do understand that and, of course, we don't actually know what numbers are in each category. Some will just hold ILR, which would be a lot easier. However, those that have obtained citizenship could then revoke any previous one if a possibility of deportation appeared on the horizon for them.

The point I am making is it isn't such a simple matter as some seem to think.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 26 Apr 21 6.32pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The formerly impending disaster has already happened. We are living in it.

You are someone who tries to spin details and deny responsibility while the whole mass immigration scandal is still happening year on year.
You want to overlook the actual reason why thousands of British girls have been raped and abused. .

Britain is a culture where British women are free to date whoever they like, treated like adults and men will respect their decisions.

The rape gangs came from a very different culture. A culture where women are treated like property, jealously guarded, and an unprotected woman seems to be fair game ? If those gangs pulled the same stunt back in pakistan their lives would be over. Forget about the cops. You would have an army of angry cousins, brothers & uncles all in hot pursuit.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Apr 2021 6.59pm)

 


from the Etihad, Emirates, Molyneux, London Stadium, the Vitality, turf moor & Anfield to Old Trafford x 2.....or a neighbourly visit to Craven Cottage...Raptors on the Road

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Britain is a culture where British women are free to date whoever they like, treated like adults and men will respect their decisions.

The rape gangs came from a very different culture. A culture where women are treated like property, jealously guarded, and an unprotected woman seems to be fair game ? If those gangs pulled the same stunt back in pakistan their lives would be over. Forget about the cops. You would have an army of angry cousins, brothers & uncles all in hot pursuit.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Apr 2021 6.59pm)

We had someone in hot pursuit but that door was closed by frightened appeasers.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Apr 21 7.51pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I do understand that and, of course, we don't actually know what numbers are in each category. Some will just hold ILR, which would be a lot easier. However, those that have obtained citizenship could then revoke any previous one if a possibility of deportation appeared on the horizon for them.

The point I am making is it isn't such a simple matter as some seem to think.

Indeed it is not. Throw in the HR aspect and, at times, nigh on impossible to remove

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Apr 21 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't have a "type"! My opinions are my own.

There is no "disaster", other than in the minds of those who want there to be one. There are problems. That's nothing new. There have always been problems and always will be. They just vary with the generations. Many of our father's generation thought disaster was about to befall them, with us being subjugated by Nazi Germany, whilst others welcomed the prospect. Most though pulled up their sleeves and worked collectively to resist and, with the help of friends, prevailed.

That's what we need to do now. Not just complain and propose unworkable solutions. If "stopping the flow" was a realistic proposition it would have been done years ago. We are controlling what we can. Nor can we just deport people at will. There are international conventions to respect alongside the fact that many of those you wish to deport are now legally as British as you or me, without any other place to go. These problems are ours to deal with.

There is no moral or intellectual superiority involved. Just realism. People can "want" all they wish but if what they "want" is unrealistic they need to rethink what is actually possible and then join in the efforts to ensure it happens quickly.

Only in this way can the protection for all these young women you claim to be your motivation actually be accomplished.

Bashing a keyboard does nothing at all to help anyone.

The very least we can do is deny entry to certain types of people. As a nation we should reserve the right to allow and disallow entry to whom we please.

Those that were born here should be imprisoned for life or offered the opportunity to emigrate to their mother country. Deals can be done between countries with this sort of arrangement. Those that were not born here should be deported without delay.

None of that is impossible. It just takes determination and a political mandate.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Apr 21 10.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't have a "type"! My opinions are my own.

There is no "disaster", other than in the minds of those who want there to be one. There are problems. That's nothing new. There have always been problems and always will be. They just vary with the generations. Many of our father's generation thought disaster was about to befall them, with us being subjugated by Nazi Germany, whilst others welcomed the prospect. Most though pulled up their sleeves and worked collectively to resist and, with the help of friends, prevailed.

That's what we need to do now. Not just complain and propose unworkable solutions. If "stopping the flow" was a realistic proposition it would have been done years ago. We are controlling what we can. Nor can we just deport people at will. There are international conventions to respect alongside the fact that many of those you wish to deport are now legally as British as you or me, without any other place to go. These problems are ours to deal with.

There is no moral or intellectual superiority involved. Just realism. People can "want" all they wish but if what they "want" is unrealistic they need to rethink what is actually possible and then join in the efforts to ensure it happens quickly.

Only in this way can the protection for all these young women you claim to be your motivation actually be accomplished.

Bashing a keyboard does nothing at all to help anyone.

With the help of friends? We can never repay the debt owed to the generation involved but the more than 25m Russians who died and Americaís intervention was more than ďthe help of friendsĒ.
Letís face it without Russia being involved we would have been rolled over no matter how many sleeves were rolled up.

 

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