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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Jul 21 8.11pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

According to the Mail TR's video had 1m views I think if I had been libelled I would also want to clear my name.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

According to the Mail TR's video had 1m views I think if I had been libelled I would also want to clear my name.

how many hundred times has TR himself been libelled ?

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 22 Jul 21 8.48pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Now I am very wary of TR for all sorts of reasons, and suspect he is the pay, or in thrall, of a variety of state agencies, but what I struggle to understand is why this trial did not have a jury?

Is that standard with libel cases? I at first assumed it had but after reading the judgement, that is clearly not the case and it all seems to boil down to the Judge deciding not to believe the witnesses that TR produces.

Surely that is the role of a jury? Happy to be educated on this one.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

how many hundred times has TR himself been libelled ?

And this is what is wrong with our libel laws, not that this boy obviously had financial help but that if you don't have money you cannot sue.

Don't complain that TR was sued complain that ordinary people with no access to money get no justice.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

And this is what is wrong with our libel laws, not that this boy obviously had financial help but that if you don't have money you cannot sue.

Don't complain that TR was sued complain that ordinary people with no access to money get no justice.

Well this chav got a financial reward. So is that the justice or was it TR losing the case.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Well this chav got a financial reward. So is that the justice or was it TR losing the case.

Don't forget that TR started this he decided to comment on the video of a young boy being attacked. He couldn't then back up his claims in court.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 22 Jul 21 10.22pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Well this chav got a financial reward. So is that the justice or was it TR losing the case.

The chav has got a £100k settlement to pay as well as legal costs of £500k reportedly.

 

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View kevlee's Profile kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 22 Jul 21 11.13pm Send a Private Message to kevlee Add kevlee as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Now I am very wary of TR for all sorts of reasons, and suspect he is the pay, or in thrall, of a variety of state agencies, but what I struggle to understand is why this trial did not have a jury?

Is that standard with libel cases? I at first assumed it had but after reading the judgement, that is clearly not the case and it all seems to boil down to the Judge deciding not to believe the witnesses that TR produces.

Surely that is the role of a jury? Happy to be educated on this one.

Juries in libel cases were effectively abolished in 2014. Trial by judge only now. There is the possibility of a jury trial if the court decides but I’m not aware of one. I assume the costs involved were a factor, plus the fact that juries may not be impartial, or so it is thought.
I sat on a jury in crown court in jan 2020 and some of my fellow jurors were imbeciles and the fact that someone’s liberty was in their hands was very worrying. ‘He looks well dodgy’ being one observation I remember…

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Jul 21 5.21am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

The chav has got a £100k settlement to pay as well as legal costs of £500k reportedly.

This could damage this kid for ever. Like I said again a pawn to try to finally shut down TR once and for all.
This is not about TR really; it's about slowly erasing the grooming gang issue and hoping it will go away.
Silly little white bitches echoing through the corridors of power. Shameful!!!

 

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Originally posted by kevlee

Juries in libel cases were effectively abolished in 2014. Trial by judge only now. There is the possibility of a jury trial if the court decides but I’m not aware of one. I assume the costs involved were a factor, plus the fact that juries may not be impartial, or so it is thought.
I sat on a jury in crown court in jan 2020 and some of my fellow jurors were imbeciles and the fact that someone’s liberty was in their hands was very worrying. ‘He looks well dodgy’ being one observation I remember…

Right.

One thing I have heard TR's supporters say is that the way in which the courts are effectively used against him is that they never, ever, put him in front of a jury. But if this is the case with all libel trials then I guess it is line but in terms of the impartiality, then I suspect that there is not a judge in the country who would not take against him and this trial does seem to boil down to a judge deciding against believing witnesses that TR called in his defence.

I can remember a case bought against Nick Griffin, a fair while ago now, for inciting racial hatred (I think) for labeling Islam 'evil'. The case was based on undercover filming at a private meeting but a jury gave him a not guilty and if I remember correctly at the time, there was some disquiet even amongst the usual Lefties, that this was not perhaps the wisest of judicial moves for a whole host of reasons.


 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Jul 21 7.38am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I haven't followed the trial I don't know if anyone on here has? What evidence / witnesses did TR produce?

At the pre-trial Robinson said he had loads of witnesses (unnamed) who could give evidence as to the bullying nature of this boy but that they were afraid to testify. I don't know if he was able to persuade them or if this was wishful thinking on his part.

All we do know is that the onus was on him to prove the allegations and he didn't. If he feels the judge was wrong or bias he can appeal.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

Right.

One thing I have heard TR's supporters say is that the way in which the courts are effectively used against him is that they never, ever, put him in front of a jury. But if this is the case with all libel trials then I guess it is line but in terms of the impartiality, then I suspect that there is not a judge in the country who would not take against him and this trial does seem to boil down to a judge deciding against believing witnesses that TR called in his defence.

I can remember a case bought against Nick Griffin, a fair while ago now, for inciting racial hatred (I think) for labeling Islam 'evil'. The case was based on undercover filming at a private meeting but a jury gave him a not guilty and if I remember correctly at the time, there was some disquiet even amongst the usual Lefties, that this was not perhaps the wisest of judicial moves for a whole host of reasons.


Would he have done better in front of a jury in say Bradford? I suspect not.
Plus, if you listen to the current government they say that High Court judges are too left wing!! I actually think he just lost on the evidence. But I agree that juries have sometimes delivered verdicts not based on evidence but on their personal views. It’s works both ways- a jury could be all anti SYL.

 


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