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 Kermit8  Hevon 24 Dec 17 10.35am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I called her a traitor to the Tory party which she is. You can't even get that right. But your ethics are pretty crap as I've come to see over time in our conversations. You're more a wind up than someone serious to engage with. As for the thirties, well back in the thirties the country everyone was trying to placate was Germany as it grew increasingly stronger. And today the country that overwhelmingly benefits from the EU arrangements is that same country......and you as an EU remain supporter are a supporter of that arrangement. So you are much more connected to a time similar to the thirties than I am. Daily Mail? Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Dec 2017 10.21am) Merry Christmas, Stirling. Family time calls. Jousting to resume laters.
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The news outlet that probably best reflects my views is Sargon of Akkad.nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 24 Dec 17 10.39am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Agree and Lexit appears to be defined as the reasons for leaving the EU, rather than providing a left wing exit strategy. One interesting point I discovered is that ‘Lexiters’ promote the idea that freedom of movement does reduce wages in the UK. Strange because a while before the referendum you were talking about no2eu the group headed by Bob Crowe and TUSC. That was the beginnings of a Lexit campaign.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Dec 17 10.42am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Merry Christmas, Stirling. Family time calls. Jousting to resume laters. Family time at Christmas is precious, enjoy.
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| matt_himself Matataland 24 Dec 17 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Strange because a while before the referendum you were talking about no2eu the group headed by Bob Crowe and TUSC. That was the beginnings of a Lexit campaign. Lexit, as defined in the Internet was the reasons a minority of left wingers used as a basis of campaign to leave the EU. That is where TUSC came from. It is not a blueprint or a plan for what happens when Brexit happens. That is the point. Claiming that there is a ‘Lexit’ strategy is false. There isn’t one in existence, we have already established that a ‘Corbyn Brexit’ is just a phrase and not a strategy. This is the crux of what I am getting at. The left, whilst parts of it were campaigning for a Brexit, has no plan for dealing with it or it’s aftermath. It’s just spin and slogans.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Dec 17 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Lexit, as defined in the Internet was the reasons a minority of left wingers used as a basis of campaign to leave the EU. That is where TUSC came from. It is not a blueprint or a plan for what happens when Brexit happens. That is the point. Claiming that there is a ‘Lexit’ strategy is false. There isn’t one in existence, we have already established that a ‘Corbyn Brexit’ is just a phrase and not a strategy. This is the crux of what I am getting at. The left, whilst parts of it were campaigning for a Brexit, has no plan for dealing with it or it’s aftermath. It’s just spin and slogans. Truth is, I don't think anyone has a cohesive plan. Edited by nickgusset (24 Dec 2017 1.43pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Dec 17 2.51pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Truth is, I don't think anyone has a cohesive plan. Edited by nickgusset (24 Dec 2017 1.43pm) That would be very bad news for Britain. They aren't very clever.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Dec 17 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That would be very bad news for Britain. They aren't very clever. How times have changed. A year ago you would have laughed and said it would never happen.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Dec 17 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How times have changed. A year ago you would have laughed and said it would never happen. I worry about more serious thing and no, I still don't think it will happen.
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| matt_himself Matataland 24 Dec 17 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Truth is, I don't think anyone has a cohesive plan. Edited by nickgusset (24 Dec 2017 1.43pm) Sir Nigel has a plan but it is not listened too. Sad state of affairs. Edited by matt_himself (24 Dec 2017 4.23pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Dec 17 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Sir Nigel has a plan but it is not listened too. Sad state of affairs. Edited by matt_himself (24 Dec 2017 4.23pm)
Remind us how well that escapade went for Farage. Or how about the time Farage said that if/when Brexit turns out to be an economic disaster he'll be absolutely fine because he'll just up sticks and move abroad? What on earth gives you such confidence that the man has the judgement, ability, or integrity to lead the Brexit negotiations? Edited by nickgusset (24 Dec 2017 5.02pm)
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| Stirlingsays 24 Dec 17 4.38pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Sir Nigel has a plan but it is not listened too. Sad state of affairs. Edited by matt_himself (24 Dec 2017 4.23pm) Yep, the Brexiters like Mogg are most definitely less accommodating towards the EU than May is......May uses them, especially Johnson as a threat to get what she does.....which trashes the crap that the 'EU hold all the cards' mob were constantly pushing. People like May or....if he were negotiating Brexit, Stamer or Corbyn.....they are appeasers....and without the Brexiters they have absolutely no cards to barter with. Without Brexiters the emperor has no clothes and.....anyone serious knows that Labour leading this thing would end up with the weakest deal possible. ...to a percentage of remainers.....who are actually more pro EU than they are pro Britain.....that's actually a good thing...because they can claim that we have no chance outside the EU and should rejoin...that's ultimately what those internationalists want. But plenty of remainers do actually put Britain first...so that would be a massive split in their ranks. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Dec 2017 4.41pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Dec 17 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, the Brexiters like Mogg are most definitely less accommodating towards the EU than May is......May uses them, especially Johnson as a threat to get what she does.....which trashes the crap that the 'EU hold all the cards' mob were constantly pushing. People like May or....if he were negotiating Brexit, Stamer or Corbyn.....they are appeasers....and without the Brexiters they have absolutely no cards to barter with. Without Brexiters the emperor has no clothes and.....anyone serious knows that Labour leading this thing would end up with the weakest deal possible. ...to a percentage of remainers.....who are actually more pro EU than they are pro Britain.....that's actually a good thing...because they can claim that we have no chance outside the EU and should rejoin...that's ultimately what those internationalists want. But plenty of remainers do actually put Britain first...so that would be a massive split in their ranks. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Dec 2017 4.41pm) Any names?
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