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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jan 18 4.28pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

This really demonstrates the absurdity of pandering to tiny minds.
It beggars belief that a store has actually backed down and apologised for this.
Someone has to draw a line and say no further. Clearly, some don't understand that if you keep giving ground then you will be giving it forever. The store is more concerned about their short term sales.

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 08 Jan 18 4.59pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Whose tiny minds?

Those who see it as an issue?

Those who thought this was a good idea in the first place?

Those charming people who still refer to people with darker skin as 'monkeys,' and believe they have recently come down from a tree?

Those people who have darker skin and get called monkeys by those who still view it as a socially acceptable thing to do and have to somehow accept it as 'banter'?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 Jan 18 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I can't believe believe I am saying this but for once I agree with the people complaining. Its not in good taste. I assume it was a genuine mistake so as H&M have withdrawn it that should be the end of the matter.

 


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wordup Flag 08 Jan 18 5.05pm

Oh another race thread by fan of censorship of others views Hrolf. I would offer a view, but like half a dozen others today, I suspect anything I say however benign will immediately be deleted.


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jan 18 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Whose tiny minds?

Those who see it as an issue?

Those who thought this was a good idea in the first place?

Those charming people who still refer to people with darker skin as 'monkeys,' and believe they have recently come down from a tree?

Those people who have darker skin and get called monkeys by those who still view it as a socially acceptable thing to do and have to somehow accept it as 'banter'?

Well I agree that the store could have seen it coming in the current climate but that doesn't change anything.

I don't know anyone who thinks that insulting people is acceptable. I do know that people get insulted for with all sorts of stuff. Anything that can be used to antagonise them. That is the nature of insults.
If you keep giving this stuff power then that is a big mistake and if you keep pandering to those who are 'offened', that is an equally big mistake.

People need to get some maturity for god sake. Ask yourself where you draw the line?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jan 18 5.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I can't believe believe I am saying this but for once I agree with the people complaining. Its not in good taste. I assume it was a genuine mistake so as H&M have withdrawn it that should be the end of the matter.

Good taste?

This is an item of clothing for kids featuring the word monkey.
Are you suggesting that any reference to monkeys should be banned?
Anything else while we are at it?

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 08 Jan 18 5.21pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Very bad marketing,nothing wrong with the kids hoodie,just not thought out using the little black lad.

I would be having severe words with the marketing department...heads will roll.

 


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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 08 Jan 18 5.23pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

H&M are in the business of making money by getting people to buy stuff from them; in the same way that the Premier League makes money by getting people to watch games (because TV companies will give them oodles of money based on the fact that advertisers will give them oodles of money for a 30-second slot during half time.

If, accidentally or on purpose, they offend and alienate a slice of their potential customer base, it hurts their business. Something as tone deaf as this H&M commercial did just that so, in order to preserve its market share, the company apologized.

This isn't censorship or political correctness run amok. This is just a business trying to maintain its appeal to as many people as possible so as to suck in as much of their spending money as possible. It's the free market in action in its purest form.

Now, you (Hrolf) or anyone else has the right to withhold your business from H&M and to let them know exactly why you're doing so. H&M in turn will make a pure, commercial, business decision as to whether the loss of your custom - and that of like-minded individuals - outweighs the loss of custom they would have suffered without pulling the ad and issuing the apology.

Conservatives love a good boycott. Go for it and see how many s***s H&M gives!

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jan 18 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

Very bad marketing,nothing wrong with the kids hoodie,just not thought out using the little black lad.

I would be having severe words with the marketing department...heads will roll.

They weren't 'using' him. He was most likely from an agency after being placed there by his parents.
I'm fairly sure that if they had objections, they would have voiced them at the time.
Maybe they weren't so small minded as infer any derogatory overtone. Parents refer to their kids as little monkeys all the time. Only the really sad still relate it to a 'racial' slur.

 

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 08 Jan 18 5.32pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Good taste?

This is an item of clothing for kids featuring the word monkey.
Are you suggesting that any reference to monkeys should be banned?
Anything else while we are at it?


How about not using the word "monkey" to describe anything that isn't a monkey?

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 08 Jan 18 5.36pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They weren't 'using' him. He was most likely from an agency after being placed there by his parents.
I'm fairly sure that if they had objections, they would have voiced them at the time.
Maybe they weren't so small minded as infer any derogatory overtone. Parents refer to their kids as little monkeys all the time. Only the really sad still relate it to a 'racial' slur.


You have no clue (as usual). The modelling session and the copywriters who writer the ad are two completely divorced activities. There's no way the parents could have objected at the time; to them, their son was being photographed for an H&M catalog. It's only much, much later that some idiot decided to use a monkey reference for the ad.

And before you challenge my bona fides on this, my wife used to model for clothing catalogues, so I know from her stories how these things go. The models are treated like props, rushed in / rushed out, and have no say or even clue about how those photos will be used ultimately. Once they're paid for allowing their image to be taken, that image is no longer theirs - it belongs to whoever paid them for it.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Jan 18 5.36pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

H&M are in the business of making money by getting people to buy stuff from them; in the same way that the Premier League makes money by getting people to watch games (because TV companies will give them oodles of money based on the fact that advertisers will give them oodles of money for a 30-second slot during half time.

If, accidentally or on purpose, they offend and alienate a slice of their potential customer base, it hurts their business. Something as tone deaf as this H&M commercial did just that so, in order to preserve its market share, the company apologized.

This isn't censorship or political correctness run amok. This is just a business trying to maintain its appeal to as many people as possible so as to suck in as much of their spending money as possible. It's the free market in action in its purest form.

Now, you (Hrolf) or anyone else has the right to withhold your business from H&M and to let them know exactly why you're doing so. H&M in turn will make a pure, commercial, business decision as to whether the loss of your custom - and that of like-minded individuals - outweighs the loss of custom they would have suffered without pulling the ad and issuing the apology.

Conservatives love a good boycott. Go for it and see how many s***s H&M gives!

With this, I agree but it still relates to attitudes that prevail among the hard of thinking.
By perpetuating this kind of thinking, everyone is making a rod for their own back. We need to move past this retrograde thinking.
This is people trying really hard to be offended by something that was not intended to offend.

 

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