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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 26 Jan 18 7.23pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


Yeah, you're gonna say that I'm giving statistics again, but Batshiayi has started 11 games and has scored 10 goals this season.

Ok, statistics are not always relevant, but Batshuayi has absolutely no problem regarding scoring. As opposed to Benteke, who has started countless matches this season. Yes, different teams, but how many goals should Batshuayi have for him to be considered able to buy a goal at the moment?

To debate the topic properly;

I think the issue with this comparison is that Batshuyai is nearly exclusively used when Chelsea are chasing a game and need a goal - invariably, leading the line for a very good team who are going gun-ho for a goal is going to lead to quite a few chances. Impact players will always tend to have a good minutes-goals ratio, because they're being deployed for a short time to do one specific thing. I don't agree with the view that Batshuyai "can't buy a goal", but simply comparing his goal/assist ratios to Benteke is hugely flawed.

Iheanacho is the best example of this - phenomenal goal to minutes at City (amongst the best in PL history at one point), and has been thoroughly ineffective in a weaker side.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 26 Jan 18 8.20pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

As opposed to Iheanacho, Batshuayi has been a starter for Marseille a long time and he was amazing. Hence why Chelsea bought him for 30+million

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 26 Jan 18 8.30pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

As opposed to Iheanacho, Batshuayi has been a starter for Marseille a long time and he was amazing. Hence why Chelsea bought him for 30+million

Sure, agreed - that doesn't disprove my point however; comparing Benteke and Batshuyai's stats for this season is flawed.


 

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View Ali_Campbell's Profile Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 26 Jan 18 8.34pm Send a Private Message to Ali_Campbell Add Ali_Campbell as a friend

I know Benteke is having a bad season but I would prefer him over Batshuayi. I think for a club like Palace , 25-30 million needs to guarantee goals and he doesnít. Yes, he could do but itís a bit of a gamble. Iíd rather take the punt on Big Ben for one more season to turn around.

I think the previous poster made a great point. When you look at Slimani and Iheanacho, we would have loved them at the start of the season, but theyíve not pulled up any trees.

Despite Bentekeís faults (and there's lots), he just needs to get his confidence up.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 26 Jan 18 8.43pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Slimani and Iheanacho have done well for how much they've actually played (or how little). They only have like 250 minutes in the PL, 250 in other competitions. If they had played as much as Big Ben, it just couldn't have been worse. Cause nothing can be worse than 1000 minutes without a goal.

Let's judge according to their given time

 

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View Ali_Campbell's Profile Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 26 Jan 18 8.51pm Send a Private Message to Ali_Campbell Add Ali_Campbell as a friend

Thereís a reason their football has been so limited. I go to lots of Leicester games and they are both shocking players. Iheanacho has no real pace (I whitnessed live him being out paced by Jonathan Walters which is no mean feet) and despite the goals at city which were tap-ins, his all round play ainít great. Apart from score for city, he never did anything else. Now he has to work harder and move...itís no surprise he hardly makes the bench

Slimiani is better and god loves a tryer. He gives his all every week, but he is the Algerian Frazier Campbell.

We need goals and Benteke has proved he can get them. We just need patience through the next thousand minutes (Big eyes emoji)

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 26 Jan 18 8.58pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Ali_Campbell

Thereís a reason their football has been so limited. I go to lots of Leicester games and they are both shocking players. Iheanacho has no real pace (I whitnessed live him being out paced by Jonathan Walters which is no mean feet) and despite the goals at city which were tap-ins, his all round play ainít great. Apart from score for city, he never did anything else. Now he has to work harder and move...itís no surprise he hardly makes the bench

Slimiani is better and god loves a tryer. He gives his all every week, but he is the Algerian Frazier Campbell.

We need goals and Benteke has proved he can get them. We just need patience through the next thousand minutes (Big eyes emoji)

That's the decider for me - Benteke, whilst admittedly having a poor season, is a proven goal scorer for our club and in this league. Batshuyai, who I rate as a good young player, is not.

Maybe if we were in a better position we could afford to take such a risk, but as it is, I'd stick with Benteke.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Jan 18 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

We need another striker, not swapping one.

 

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View bashy2's Profile bashy2 Flag London 26 Jan 18 10.18pm Send a Private Message to bashy2 Add bashy2 as a friend

We need two strikers before Tuesday

 

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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Flag London 27 Jan 18 3.02am Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Ultimately you can read any of the fans forums or pundits opinions to see what people think of Batshuayi, or alternatively you can watch him and see that he spends all game making pointless flicks and tricks, doesnít pressurise defenders and doesnít make anywhere near enough dangerous runs. His ability isnít in question as a finisher, he obviously can finish chances, but the reason Conte wants him gone is because he doesnít work for the team. Conte is like Roy in that he likes players sticking to their task and the sum of the team getting the result. Thatís how he has got the best out of players like Moses and Christenson.

If you have watched a single game this season under Roy you would know that everyone has a role in the team that they rigidly stick to apart from Zaha who has a somewhat freer role. And while Benteke has not managed to hit any kind of form, hasnít managed to score or create much, (an assist here and there and one goal against Leicester is all), he has stuck to his task pretty well in terms of positioning and helping the teams shape. He is part of a resurgent palace while personally out of form and looking shot of confidence with missed chances when he is in the right area. He isnít playing well enough thatís obvious to anyone with half a brain even mattteo, but swapping him for a showboater with a far worse work ethic would be madness.

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 27 Jan 18 3.30am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

No Batshuayi please! He looks like Zaha's brother (same funny haircut too), but seems to be running around like a rabbit. Don't want Italian/Brazilian Eder either, he has made it crystal clear he prefer other options.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Jan 18 7.27am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Ultimately you can read any of the fans forums or pundits opinions to see what people think of Batshuayi, or alternatively you can watch him and see that he spends all game making pointless flicks and tricks, doesnít pressurise defenders and doesnít make anywhere near enough dangerous runs. His ability isnít in question as a finisher, he obviously can finish chances, but the reason Conte wants him gone is because he doesnít work for the team. Conte is like Roy in that he likes players sticking to their task and the sum of the team getting the result. Thatís how he has got the best out of players like Moses and Christenson.

If you have watched a single game this season under Roy you would know that everyone has a role in the team that they rigidly stick to apart from Zaha who has a somewhat freer role. And while Benteke has not managed to hit any kind of form, hasnít managed to score or create much, (an assist here and there and one goal against Leicester is all), he has stuck to his task pretty well in terms of positioning and helping the teams shape. He is part of a resurgent palace while personally out of form and looking shot of confidence with missed chances when he is in the right area. He isnít playing well enough thatís obvious to anyone with half a brain even mattteo, but swapping him for a showboater with a far worse work ethic would be madness.

At last a voice of reason. The abuse CB gets from those around me when he stays on halfway line and doesn't chase down defenders when they have the ball near their own area, do people not think that he is playing to instructions rather than just being out and out lazy? Dont get me wrong he is having a poor season and I do believe patience with him is wearing thin but those that call him crap (Matteo) are, in my opinion, talking out their a****

 

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