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 Mapletree  Croydon 02 Nov 18 9.45am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I would have expected more from you Maple, but obviously you aren't really thinking very deeply about this. The drives that exist within all of us are given expression through the cultural pathways within the societies you grow up in. That is going to look different from within every culture....even if the base behaviour is the same. For example rape.....Due to biology this is always going to be a majority male crime, though its levels are affected by the culture the male grows up within. Some cultures will have higher percentages of rape than others for example...but they all will contain rape and due to nature it will never disappear...it can only be contained...This should be blindingly obvious. As for race affecting behaviour at the global level. There is some support for this but it's very controversial and many biological scientists simply don't wish to suffer the same career outcomes that Charles Murray has suffered. Whatever the extent to the truth of those claims....which in my view are far more nuanced than people are willing to present....The reality is that whatever a person's genetics, they deserve the same treatment within society. My attitude towards this changes however when it comes to culture and allegiance. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2018 10.29pm) Ah yes, all men are rapey unless properly controlled by their society. I hadn't realised quite how strong a feminist you truly are.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Nov 18 9.49am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
What a load of old fluff Tell me what is human nature. Unfortunately I have only ever seen it through the lens of society. Aren’t you the one accusing pakistani society of being incompatible with the rest of the UK? Or perhaps I am confused. Being Muslim must affect at a genetic level.
That sounds almost religious. And of course, you couldn't post without a bit of apologist nonsense for those good old pakistani rape gangs. God bless 'em.
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Nov 18 9.51am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Just suppose it was found out there were multiple white grooming gangs targeting black kids. How would this be reported? I think, sadly, that is perfectly likely. Criminals utilise opportunities. People that work in the night economy that spot a vulnerable group will exploit that. What makes this case unusual is the scale of the organisation. It appears to have been multiple networks, presumably learning from one another. But there is plenty going on at a lower level.
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Nov 18 9.54am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That sounds almost religious. And of course, you couldn't post without a bit of apologist nonsense for those good old pakistani rape gangs. God bless 'em. No, i have never said there are no predispositions. I have on multiple occasions pointed you to Essay on the Subjection of Women which is a seminal work. We simply don't know what is human nature, it is always filtered I am no advocate for pakistani culture or society. But I put you to proof that there is anything innate within it that causes pakistanis to be more rapey. Or is it simply more in their breeding, as suggested by Stirling. Strong genes no doubt. Edited by Mapletree (02 Nov 2018 9.55am)
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Nov 18 9.56am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I think, sadly, that is perfectly likely. Criminals utilise opportunities. People that work in the night economy that spot a vulnerable group will exploit that. What makes this case unusual is the scale of the organisation. It appears to have been multiple networks, presumably learning from one another. But there is plenty going on at a lower level. Come to think of it, look up the history of Shirley Oaks. Mostly white perpetrators, often black children. I know one and I grew up alongside them.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Nov 18 10.12am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No, i have never said there are no predispositions. I have on multiple occasions pointed you to Essay on the Subjection of Women which is a seminal work. We simply don't know what is human nature, it is always filtered I am no advocate for pakistani culture or society. But I put you to proof that there is anything innate within it that causes pakistanis to be more rapey. Or is it simply more in their breeding, as suggested by Stirling. Strong genes no doubt. Edited by Mapletree (02 Nov 2018 9.55am) The issue with pakistani men is obviously cultural. Who is qualified to say if there is any genetic factor? I doubt it but it is not impossible I suppose. In the end, that is secondary since there is certainly a massive problem and the simple way to address it is to not have them here at all. I would have no issue with deporting all of them, born here or not and I don't care who doesn't like it. My priorities are simple. Protect my own first. How's that for genetic predisposition?
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| dannyboy1978 02 Nov 18 11.28am |
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I see this issue as very similar to the trump issue. He identified countries where possible threats could occur and that no feasible way was to identify the perpetrators, he looked to protect Americans first! If our government cant get a handle on this issue I don't see any good reason why you would continue to import that problem. Even if born here, this issue has been imported !!
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| lefty27 ipswich 02 Nov 18 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The issue with pakistani men is obviously cultural. Who is qualified to say if there is any genetic factor? I doubt it but it is not impossible I suppose. In the end, that is secondary since there is certainly a massive problem and the simple way to address it is to not have them here at all. I would have no issue with deporting all of them, born here or not and I don't care who doesn't like it. My priorities are simple. Protect my own first. How's that for genetic predisposition? That’s a bit extreme Hrolf, who would you deport?
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| Stirlingsays 02 Nov 18 11.36am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah yes, all men are rapey unless properly controlled by their society. I hadn't realised quite how strong a feminist you truly are. 'All men are rapey'?....Surely a having a troll moment there. That's feministic anti male nonsense. I said that...until science alters it, that a percentage of males will always be born who are biologically dysfunctional or predisposed in this way.....just as some men or women are born with much higher sex drives than others. I recognised that the main driver of rape levels within different groups are cultural. I also recognised that important work on biology on race has been suppressed and oppressed by political elements within society......An attack on science. As for modern day feminism.....it's a cancer on society. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Nov 2018 12.30pm)
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| Stirlingsays 02 Nov 18 11.42am |
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I know what I would do....and what we certainly should be doing in this country. We should pay countries like pakistan, which have strict socially conservative religious communities to take a large part of those on our watch list.....We should pay those on those lists to go with their families. But principally I would ban both the producing and selling of halal meat in this country. I would also ban all forms of circumcision in this country that was outside of a medical need. Oh and a 'Trump like' travel ban on problem Islamic countries. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Nov 2018 11.48am)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Nov 18 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by lefty27
That’s a bit extreme Hrolf, who would you deport? I certainly would not want to deport all 'Asians' or Muslims. Remember that many of us warned against having them here in the first place. Do you remember when rapist immigrants were just 'right wing propaganda'?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Nov 18 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I know what I would do....and what we certainly should be doing in this country. We should pay countries like pakistan, which have strict socially conservative religious communities to take a large part of those on our watch list.....We should pay those on those lists to go with their families. But principally I would ban both the producing and selling of halal meat in this country. I would also ban all forms of circumcision in this country that was outside of a medical need. Oh and a 'Trump like' travel ban on problem Islamic countries. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Nov 2018 11.48am) Sounds reasonable.
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