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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Am I right in thinking the white woman started to sound more and more like a black woman the longer it went on? I would also like to know why the police officers didnít intervene when they started to push him away.

Typical brainwashed uneducated shouting down of someone with zero true understanding of what you are shouting about.

I didn't want to say but I will anyway. She looked and sounded like some kind of scaghead to me. If it's someone's mum, I apologise.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The EDL want to kick all Muslims out of the country?

I very much doubt that.

I think a problem exists where organisations aren't allowed to speak publicly and instead their opponents speak for them and present a skewed picture which fits what they want to believe and conversely others too.

After reading his comment I went to look for the actual EDL website to see if this is actually true using duck duck go, (which uses Google's results).

Instead of finding the website I only found anti EDL propaganda....maybe their actual website is on a page somewhere but I didn't find it. Hence people don't research and just say what the media feed them.

Yet when you look for the UK communist party using Google their website comes up as the first link.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2020 1.02pm)

EDL are a cunning organisation. Tommy Robison is a very smart man who plays close to the line with a narrative that is designed to incite racial hatred.

All his facebook clips are carefully planned and unfortunately loud mouth idiots in the left are to arrogant to realise he is smart and keep throwing a predictable preconceived ideas at him which he already has all the answers too.

Then the EDL draws a load of supporters in who all get shouted at by Anti-FA for being scum which will only entrench their views. When really, the "liberal elite" need to get better at working out the concerns of everyday people just trying to get by.

The existence of both organisations is a pretty daming enditment of the leadership we've had for decades in this country.

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What is going on!!!

Somebody should explain what nazis are.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

EDL are a cunning organisation. Tommy Robison is a very smart man who plays close to the line with a narrative that is designed to incite racial hatred.

All his facebook clips are carefully planned and unfortunately loud mouth idiots in the left are to arrogant to realise he is smart and keep throwing a predictable preconceived ideas at him which he already has all the answers too.

Then the EDL draws a load of supporters in who all get shouted at by Anti-FA for being scum which will only entrench their views. When really, the "liberal elite" need to get better at working out the concerns of everyday people just trying to get by.

The existence of both organisations is a pretty daming enditment of the leadership we've had for decades in this country.

With respect you are just reinforcing my commentary from my previous post.

Ok, firstly lets get some facts straight.

Robinson certainly started the EDL however he also left it way back in October 2013. To cut a long story short he cited 'far right infiltration', though he later claimed he was paid to do so.

You cited his facebook clips when actually Robinson is banned from the Facebook platform......such a liberal society.

Again with respect it can be highlighted that when you accused Robinson of 'inciting racial hatred' it can be said that you used the same logic that you criticised in your earlier post. One where a reasonable position is then twisted into an extreme one.

In your case it would run something like this:

I don't agree with Tommy Robinson after finding out what he actually believes > Tommy Robinson is 'inciting racial hatred'.

I will respond to that with the actual facts. The EDL was started with black members within it. It also had an Asian Sikh division within it. I suggest that your 'racial hatred' claim is very much a distorted vision of what Robinson intends.

As for how bright Robinson is or how 'cunning' the EDL are I'd suggest that your belief that you have an inside track with that are about as informed as your previous claims.

For me you're just echoing the mainstream media's position on Robinson without actually having spent time considering what he says.

If you did so then I'm not saying you'd agree with him as you appear to be supportive of the liberal elites and the society they created. However, if you had done so then at least you'd have an actual balanced view of what the reality is in respect to Robinson and the 'far right'.

I'd say I agree with much of the dissident right and follow some of its leaders so I can give you a little of the actual realities on the ground in respect to Robinson.

Now Robinson is in what is called the Counter-jihad movement. That's what his interest area is. While much of what he says is agreed with there are also strongly held disagreements between him and the actual dissident right.....which you would call 'far right'.

What those disagreements are would extend this post significantly but it is sufficient to say that he and his movement aren't actually in the dissident right.

Maybe, it's all the same to you but these distinctions exist.

Perhaps if this 'liberal' society that you appear to believe exists and apparently support actually allowed Robinson and others the platforms they allow the far left then you and others might actually know, with accuracy, what they actually believe.

Instead of which their opponents get a free rein to demonise and mischaracterise without allowed response going against the very principle of a 'free marketplace of ideas'.,,,,which I would suggest an actual liberal society, if it existed, would believe in.


Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2020 3.52am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

With respect you are just reinforcing my commentary from my previous post.

Robinson certainly started the EDL however he also left it way back in October 2013. To cut a long story short he cited 'far right infiltration', though he later claimed he was paid to do so.

I was aware of this. It was a cunning move by Robinson, he distanced himself from outwardley racist goons he couldn't control, so he could continue his defamitory tirade against Muslim's in the carefully choreographed techniques I spoke about previously.


You cited his facebook clips when actually Robinson is banned from the Facebook platform......such a liberal society.

Whether it be Facebook, youtube, twitter, or tictok. He used social media as his platform to boost his profile and continously post close to the line clips that were designed to lead the viewer to one conclusion without outwardly saying anything illegal.

Again with respect it can be highlighted that when you accused Robinson of 'inciting racial hatred' it can be said that you used the same logic that you criticised in your earlier post. One where a reasonable position is then twisted into an extreme one.
Constast, unrelenting anti-muslim posts against the islamic religion, islamic grooming gangs, islamic terrorism are all designed to insite hatred against islam. It's categorically the definition of inciting racial hatred.

In your case it would run something like this:

I don't agree with Tommy Robinson after finding out what he actually believes > Tommy Robinson is 'inciting racial hatred'.
Numerous government organsiation and private media outlets have all recognised that he is a right-wing extremist. It's a fact.

I will respond to that with the actual facts. The EDL was started with black members within it. It also had an Asian Sikh division within it. I suggest that your 'racial hatred' claim is very much a distorted vision of what Robinson intends.
The ignorance in this statement is truely rediculous. Just because one minority group is a member it can't mean that it still isn't inciting racial hatred against another group. Had it escaped you that black people and Sikh's may also have anti-islamic views?

As for how bright Robinson is or how 'cunning' the EDL are I'd suggest that your belief that you have an inside track with that are about as informed as your previous claims.
I've argued with left wingers that Tommy Robinson is difficult to catch out. I keep telling them that not all racist scum are idiots and Robinson is proof of that. Anti-FA need to come up with more considered ways of fighting facism. Rather than just shouting Nazi scum at anyone they disagree with they should consider ways of addressing issues that EDL feed off of. Hence, why I've been so critical of people blindly supporting BLM.

For me you're just echoing the mainstream media's position on Robinson without actually having spent time considering what he says.
More EDL supporters making a pre-planned statement making themselves out to be the victim. It's a far-right organisation and should be challenged and it's leaders have no place in our society.

If you did so then I'm not saying you'd agree with him as you appear to be supportive of the liberal elites and the society they created. However, if you had done so then at least you'd have an actual balanced view of what the reality is in respect to Robinson and the 'far right'.
Where have I supported liberal elites? I've constantly said they are detached from reality. They are too theoretical, lack pragmatism, they dismiss genuine concerns of the working classes and as a result are feeding the EDL.

I'd say I agree with much of the dissident right and follow some of its leaders so I can give you a little of the actual realities on the ground in respect to Robinson.
That's how they get people in.

Now Robinson is in what is called the Counter-jihad movement. That's what his interest area is. While much of what he says is agreed with there are also strongly held disagreements between him and the actual dissident right.....which you would call 'far right'. We've got MI5 and CT policing for that.
Constantly telling people that Islam is an evil religion is in no way an effective method of stopping terrorism. It's just another guies for inciting racial hatred. Whats the plan for his new movement, get boozed up and shout a lot?

What those disagreements are would extend this post significantly but it is sufficient to say that he and his movement aren't actually in the dissident right.
Former member of the BNP, founder of EDL. He is.

Maybe, it's all the same to you but these distinctions exist.

Perhaps if this 'liberal' society that you appear to believe exists and apparently support actually allowed Robinson and others the platforms they allow the far left then you and others might actually know, with accuracy, what they actually believe.

Instead of which their opponents get a free rein to demonise and mischaracterise without allowed response going against the very principle of a 'free marketplace of ideas'.,,,,which I would suggest an actual liberal society, if it existed, would believe in.
You keep dismissing me as a liberal. I'm not sure why. I've been vocally anti-corbyn, anti-BLM, pro Boris, I've defended Dominic commings, pro-stop and search.

Keep telling yourself thet Robinson isn't a racist, but he is. He's spent his life dedicated to it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2020 3.52am)

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

I was aware of this. It was a cunning move by Robinson, he distanced himself from outwardley racist goons he couldn't control, so he could continue his defamitory tirade against Muslim's in the carefully choreographed techniques I spoke about previously.

There's that 'cunning' word again. Have you been watching Blackadder by chance?

I nor you actually know Robinson's motivations for particular actions. There is what happens...which I correctly stated, there are comments and there are opinions.

You apparently speak with some certainty over the motivations of people you have never met.


Originally posted by jeeagles

Whether it be Facebook, youtube, twitter, or tictok. He used social media as his platform to boost his profile and continously post close to the line clips that were designed to lead the viewer to one conclusion without outwardly saying anything illegal.

I'm struggling to see how that's different to huge numbers of political profiles that push political posts.

Seemingly the only difference here is that you don't like his opinions. Robinson's banning from most social media is completely illiberal and hypocritical.


Originally posted by jeeagles

Again with respect it can be highlighted that when you accused Robinson of 'inciting racial hatred' it can be said that you used the same logic that you criticised in your earlier post. One where a reasonable position is then twisted into an extreme one.
Constast, unrelenting anti-muslim posts against the islamic religion, islamic grooming gangs, islamic terrorism are all designed to insite hatred against islam. It's categorically the definition of inciting racial hatred.

In your case it would run something like this:

I don't agree with Tommy Robinson after finding out what he actually believes > Tommy Robinson is 'inciting racial hatred'.
Numerous government organsiation and private media outlets have all recognised that he is a right-wing extremist. It's a fact.

I will respond to that with the actual facts. The EDL was started with black members within it. It also had an Asian Sikh division within it. I suggest that your 'racial hatred' claim is very much a distorted vision of what Robinson intends.
The ignorance in this statement is truely rediculous. Just because one minority group is a member it can't mean that it still isn't inciting racial hatred against another group. Had it escaped you that black people and Sikh's may also have anti-islamic views?


Why are you stating that to be against the continuing expansion and influence of a religion is 'inciting racial hatred' when that religion has all races within it? Like most religions race isn't a bar to entry.

Robinson is certainly against the expansion of Islam in the country and against many of its mainstream interpretations. However he isn't against all Muslims like you and others suggest. Some Muslims have expressed support for Robinson, especially ex Muslims and reformist Muslims like Imam Tawhidi.....As these ex and current Muslims are the same race then your argument that this is racial falls apart.

Here is a link to their interview.

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Originally posted by jeeagles


More EDL supporters making a pre-planned statement making themselves out to be the victim. It's a far-right organisation and should be challenged and it's leaders have no place in our society.

Their website hidden from search....their supporters sacked from jobs....and you don't consider that persecution for political opinions?

I'm not seeing any challenge all I'm seeing is lies and intolerance....And the intolerance is something you have rather summed up with your last sentence.

Originally posted by jeeagles

If you did so then I'm not saying you'd agree with him as you appear to be supportive of the liberal elites and the society they created. However, if you had done so then at least you'd have an actual balanced view of what the reality is in respect to Robinson and the 'far right'.
Where have I supported liberal elites? I've constantly said they are detached from reality. They are too theoretical, lack pragmatism, they dismiss genuine concerns of the working classes and as a result are feeding the EDL.

You support the actions taken by so called 'liberal' elites against Robinson. That forms the centre of this discussion.

From your posts you seem to be kind of a centralist, though from comments here it seems centre left in the traditional sense and so I recognise that you would have criticisms with some elements further left than you.

Originally posted by jeeagles

Constantly telling people that Islam is an evil religion is in no way an effective method of stopping terrorism. It's just another guies for inciting racial hatred. Whats the plan for his new movement, get boozed up and shout a lot?

Speaking the truth about mass rapes, terrorism, honour killings, acid attacks, female genital mutilation is highlighting what Islam has introduced into this country.

You may view that, incorrectly, in my view as 'inciting racial hatred'. However, I don't.

As for your question about the aims of the counter jihad movement. Well, it's to convince the mainstream of the folly of what's led us here. However, as they are censored I guess what comes next is the fault of people like yourself.


Originally posted by jeeagles

Keep telling yourself thet Robinson isn't a racist, but he is. He's spent his life dedicated to it.

All that matters is whether he is right or not. The whole 'racism' obsession is nothing but a nonsense.


Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2020 5.25pm)

 


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It's telling how you seem to jump to personal insults to protect a man you've never met.

I don't see what's wrong with calling him cunning. A lot of politicians are. I dont really see what is so threatening about stating someone is intelligent, unless it's being used for an underhand motive.

He's a former member of the BNP. The best thing he could do to bring social cohesion would be to hand over the details of all the extremist who joined the EDL. Instead he's spent his life trying to incite hatred against Muslims.

His supporters seem to be putting in a lot of effort to claim he isn't racist. Just makes the fact he is even clearer.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles


It's telling how you seem to jump to personal insults to protect a man you've never met.

Personal insults? What personal insults?
And didn't you just complain about victim mentalities in others? But please point to this great insult?

Originally posted by jeeagles

I don't see what's wrong with calling him cunning. A lot of politicians are. I dont really see what is so threatening about stating someone is intelligent, unless it's being used for an underhand motive.

Well, while I don't particularly agree there's isn't anything particularly wrong with it....other than its depiction of malicious intent, which is your perfectly entitled opinion. It's just that your multiple usage of it reminded me of the amusing connection to Blackadder.

Originally posted by jeeagles

He's a former member of the BNP. The best thing he could do to bring social cohesion would be to hand over the details of all the extremist who joined the EDL. Instead he's spent his life trying to incite hatred against Muslims.


I kind of feel I've answered the racism point....I notice you just ignored the rebuttals for a throwing mud policy. You aren't interested in the actual discussion of your claims. As for the BNP Robinson's explained his early BNP past but no doubt you'd just regard that as being 'cunning' or something.


Originally posted by jeeagles

His supporters seem to be putting in a lot of effort to claim he isn't racist. Just makes the fact he is even clearer.

We obviously differ on this subject quite considerably.

I'm on the dissident right and as I tried to explain to you earlier Robinson isn't.....at least not yet. So while I was an earlier supporter of his, due to differences with him I wouldn't say that now.

Rather I'm more interested in fairness and accuracy and that's what prompted my initial reply.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2020 7.32pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm on the dissident right and as I tried to explain to you earlier Robinson isn't.....at least not yet. So while I was an earlier supporter of his, due to differences with him I wouldn't say that now.

Rather I'm more interested in fairness and accuracy and that's what prompted my initial reply.

Fair enough, I wasn't insulted. It just came across as a petty dig rather than a joke. Mainly because it's wasn't addressing any of my points. Great show. I hope cancel culture doesn't get hold of it. Pretty sure they can find a critism of anyhthing if they look hard enought. I probably took things too far there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2020 7.32pm)

I think joining the BNP is undeniable proof of racism to me. Excuses to try and cover it up are akin to Hennessessy claiming he'd never heard of the Nazi's (not that I think Hennessy should have been dragged through the mud for that, it was just a cheap joke between friends). Or it's a bit like the money that was just resting in Father Ted's account.

I've heard all the stuff about him saying he's not against all muslim's. Again I think it's just a tactic to justify his continied attacks against Islam. If he put the same amount of effort into bringing people together rather than looking for divisions the world would be a better place.

Some of his concerns are legitimate, but why are they always aimed at one particular demographic? Why does he continually demonise one religion? That's not fairness or accuracy.

 

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This is beautiful...


Genuine LOLZ. Apparently having white skin means we are not as 'compassionate' as black people.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

I think joining the BNP is undeniable proof of racism to me. Excuses to try and cover it up are akin to Hennessessy claiming he'd never heard of the Nazi's (not that I think Hennessy should have been dragged through the mud for that, it was just a cheap joke between friends). Or it's a bit like the money that was just resting in Father Ted's account.

I've heard all the stuff about him saying he's not against all muslim's. Again I think it's just a tactic to justify his continied attacks against Islam. If he put the same amount of effort into bringing people together rather than looking for divisions the world would be a better place.

Some of his concerns are legitimate, but why are they always aimed at one particular demographic? Why does he continually demonise one religion? That's not fairness or accuracy.

I've answered all this so it's going round in circles. If you don't like or believe the answers, fair enough, that's for you.

You ended on a question so while I've kind of already answered that as well I'll repeat myself.

No other religion in the UK has introduced the combination of mass rapes, terrorism, honour killings, acid attacks, female genital mutilation that this particular religion has. Due to the appeasement these issues are only going to get worse with demographic increases as that comes with power and representation. Those who enabled this will have to answer for it to future generations.

No one other than Robinson was seriously addressing these realities yet not only has he been silenced by the so called 'liberals', he's been persecuted as well...which you appear to support.


Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2020 10.09pm)

 


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