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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 05 Sep 18 7.55am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

The trouble is people think they own their seats when they really don’t. The club have the option to change seating arrangements for many reasons.

People are always going on about the HF thinking they’re better than other fans but the ones turning up like zombies because it’s a habit they’ve had for decades are the ones who seem to have a superiority complex. With assurances that they will have their seat replaced with a decent alternative, people should look to the greater good.

I’ve had a ST in the lower Holmesdale since it opened. I’m nothing to do with the HF, I just want a ground with an atmosphere. I remember how bad it used to be.

I keep hearing people bring this up. That argument only holds weight on a legal basis. It doesn’t all of a sudden make it right.

If you can get Block E to all buy into the vision and willingly move of their own accord, then amazing. Let’s get it done ASAP.

Stirring up a divisive frenzy & damaging the atmosphere you’re pitching in the first place, intentionally or not, because your’re not getting your way. I just can’t get behind it. Palace fans have been disillusioned for all sorts of reasons probably more times than they can count. Majority don’t seek to take their anger out on the club.

 


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View Beastie's Profile Beastie Flag 05 Sep 18 8.07am Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

They just want like-minded people to be able to group together. It wouldn’t hurt anyone, it would be better for everyone. It would take some effort but I hope an agreement can be made.

 

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View Username's Profile Username Flag Horsham 05 Sep 18 8.13am Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

They just want like-minded people to be able to group together. It wouldn’t hurt anyone, it would be better for everyone. It would take some effort but I hope an agreement can be made.

I don't think anyone here, or even at the club, disagrees with the idea.

The problem is that right now (and back in March) it's almost impossible to do it properly, without massive disruption.

I'm all for a singing section when we have a new main stand and people can move to other good seats and there is room to juggle things about. The club rightly pointed that out as the most obvious opportunity.

I still haven't read anything from the HF that makes me think their action was anything other than selfish.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 05 Sep 18 8.16am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

The trouble is people think they own their seats when they really don’t. The club have the option to change seating arrangements for many reasons.

People are always going on about the HF thinking they’re better than other fans but the ones turning up like zombies because it’s a habit they’ve had for decades are the ones who seem to have a superiority complex. With assurances that they will have their seat replaced with a decent alternative, people should look to the greater good.

I’ve had a ST in the lower Holmesdale since it opened. I’m nothing to do with the HF, I just want a ground with an atmosphere. I remember how bad it used to be.

... or maybe it's just because they come to watch the football from a team they have supported all their lives, and don't feel the need to sing and dance about it.

 


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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 05 Sep 18 8.33am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

There are a lot of differing view on the HF and people are entitled to a view. It is clear the club is taking all the supporters into account, not everyone wants to stand, sing and wave a banner, nor should they be made to.
The bottom line is the crowd respond to the performance of the pitch, if we are playing well the crowd is buzzing, if we are not it’s quiet. All this about the HF wanting to move has no bearing on the teams performance, which is what most supporters are concerned about.

 

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View Beastie's Profile Beastie Flag 05 Sep 18 8.48am Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

Originally posted by becky

... or maybe it's just because they come to watch the football from a team they have supported all their lives, and don't feel the need to sing and dance about it.

Then it would be better if they were be grouped with people who feel the same. Everybody wins.

 

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View PZ Eagle's Profile PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 05 Sep 18 8.50am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

... or maybe it's just because they come to watch the football from a team they have supported all their lives, and don't feel the need to sing and dance about it.

Well said becky! My grandfather played for Palace a couple of times as an amateur back in 1910, my mother and her brother supported them and then when my mother wed my father it became eight because my dad had five brothers and later most of the male in laws joined the throng. I joined them when I was taken to a game at six years old in 1946 and have loved and supported Crystal Palace ever since. And before any smart arse says I don't go to matches anymore because I relocated to Cornwall I was a season ticket holder, along with my dad and sister for more years than I can remember. I still watch every game that's streamed where I can and still after all these years get emotionally involved. It doesn't make me better fan than anyone else but that is what it is.

In conclusion I am right behind the club in this sorry saga.The HF statement might be well written but they are only words. Their actions, however, in not carrying on are harming the club I love and are tantamount to blackmail to try and get their own way. So I would urge Mr Parrish to stand firm because once you've paid the Danegeld you never get rid of the Dane. By all means negotiate and try and resolve the situation amicably but NOT while the HF withdraw to try and force the issue.

 


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View bicycle repair man's Profile bicycle repair man 05 Sep 18 8.52am Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Originally posted by essetwentyone

Is this a joke? Just because they have written 3 pages of waffle these so called fanatics are going to dictate to a multi million pound business? Get real !!!!
To imagine that they can recreate an atmosphere like that at Wembley on a regular basis is wishful thinking.
People who throw their toys out of the pram like these have cannot be called fanatics - that name is more appropriate for those long term supporters who have suffered all of the bad times but who still retain their season tickets.
There is no doubt that the so called HF have done a lot of good but they have also caused division - I clearly remember them fighting with other Palace fans in Holmesdale Road and who can forget their disgraceful abuse of the players in the defeat at home to Sunderland? The club has given them a lot in return and has shown appreciation of their impact but in this argument over seating the club is entirely correct. Any seating rearrangement must wait until the old stand is redeveloped.

I agree wirh every word of this post.
The HF should display a bit more maturity and patience.
In a couple of seasons they will be able to stand and jump about waving their flags to their heart's content,without disrespecting fellow Palace fans by forcing them from their regular seats.
I witnessed their display after the Sunderland gane,it was disgusting.

 

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View aquickgame2's Profile aquickgame2 Flag Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 05 Sep 18 8.55am Send a Private Message to aquickgame2 Add aquickgame2 as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

They just want like-minded people to be able to group together. It wouldn’t hurt anyone, it would be better for everyone. It would take some effort but I hope an agreement can be made.

They were,it was called Block B

 

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View Beastie's Profile Beastie Flag 05 Sep 18 9.00am Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

Originally posted by aquickgame2

They were,it was called Block B

Believe it or not, there are more than 1-200 people in that ground who are interested in lifting the atmosphere.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 05 Sep 18 9.01am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Well said becky! My grandfather played for Palace a couple of times as an amateur back in 1910, my mother and her brother supported them and then when my mother wed my father it became eight because my dad had five brothers and later most of the male in laws joined the throng. I joined them when I was taken to a game at six years old in 1946 and have loved and supported Crystal Palace ever since. And before any smart arse says I don't go to matches anymore because I relocated to Cornwall I was a season ticket holder, along with my dad and sister for more years than I can remember. I still watch every game that's streamed where I can and still after all these years get emotionally involved. It doesn't make me better fan than anyone else but that is what it is.

In conclusion I am right behind the club in this sorry saga.The HF statement might be well written but they are only words. Their actions, however, in not carrying on are harming the club I love and are tantamount to blackmail to try and get their own way. So I would urge Mr Parrish to stand firm because once you've paid the Danegeld you never get rid of the Dane. By all means negotiate and try and resolve the situation amicably but NOT while the HF withdraw to try and force the issue.

What a great post. I don't have as many years in as you mate but I agree 100% with what you say. I believe this is how a lot of people at Palace feel as well.

 

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View djp's Profile djp Flag Sawston, Cambridge 05 Sep 18 9.40am Send a Private Message to djp Add djp as a friend

For me if I was asked to move so the HF could take a position behind the goal I would do it as they are a tremendous asset to the Club at home and away games. All supporters are one may say but sometimes we all need to make small compromises for the sake of some cause or other. The HF, like the Crystals and the Eagle, when possible (!), are what fans like to see at Selhurst. Long may they all continue
If the Club had made vague commitments or hints to the HF then they should have followed it through.

 

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