Again with the L/R, but fine

Re. 'Far right' – Yes. I'd make that comment regardless of grouping of people providing that it was the case. And of course it is. The problem is you state that it is 'obviously true' but from a lot of the narrative from some on here even if it was they'd refuse to acknowledge it as it does not fit with their own immovable 'loyalties'. It's actually quite like religion, except the majority of these discussions are often grounded in fact, so that approach is inexcusable.

'Far left', 'Left', 'Centre', 'Right', 'Far Right', it doesn't matter and I don't care for taking sides as a default start point.

Anyone worth their salt should always be prepared to be proven wrong, and more importantly be open to be challenged and prepared to change their views. Unless you're a politician, in which case it's obviously much harder because of 'the party line'. But I'm not sure how many people on here are politicians. Again, this applies to any 'side'.

I see no point in being engaged in debate if you already know the outcome.

Re. size of islamic population, yes I'd agree it certainly has something to do with it, but in my view its not the only reason that we have more issues, and I don't think it's fair to claim it as such simply to further an anti-immigration narrative.

I didn't attempt anything it was you who asked if it was a riddle. What you thought you could see of it's intention whether clever,witty etc..
Shows a trip to specsavers is required, and your attempt at sarcasm laughable.

As for the debate,Poles reject having immigrants imposed on Poland, a sovereign state, against the voters’ will (Democracy at work)Nearly 80 percent of polish voters are against EU-mandated immigration.
The ancestors of Poland’s contemporary Muslims (the 1%) chose the religious freedom of their adoptive county and its Western values over life in the neighbouring Ottoman Empire.
Countries who suffer these attacks vary with severity from Islamic to western societies.
Countries however, with a low or non existent Muslim population, for the time being have no attacks.
Poland has taken in over a million Ukrainian immigrants from that European war everyone has seemed to have forgotten about

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We know that is untrue. In India, the largest group committing terrorist offences are militant Hindus and political groups, much of which is directed towards the Muslim community. In America, another country with high terrorism offences, most of those committing the shootings are white men.

In this country, since 2007, we have had 10 terrorism incidents. Of these, 4 were committed by Radical Islamists: Lee Rigby, Manchester, London Bridge, 2017 Westminster. 3 were neo Nazis, 1 was IRA, another some kind of Anarchist, and another as yet undefined (Westminster 2018 ). [Link]

Despite this, we know that if the suspect is Muslim, there will be pressure put on the government to act. Now, the question is, what do we do. We can either go down the route we have gone down every single other time, which is pass emergency legislation allowing for more civil liberties to be infringed, condemn the Muslim community for not doing enough, and intern anyone vaguely suspected. Or we can withdraw troops and intelligence personnel from the wars in the Middle East and hope that this takes away the motivation many of the previous Islamic terrorists have named as driving their actions, as well as breeding groups like IS and AQ in the Middle East.

I am exasperated, because I know that when faced with this complicated issue, our government will inevitably take the easy route: attacking poor communities in Tower Hamlets or Bradford or Bolton rather than taking on the multi-billion pound arms industry and their lobbyists.

May will pretend that this is the tough, hard decision, history will repeat itself and more terrorists, both Islamic and fascist, will be bred.

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Religion is used to rally people of similar origins to a cause, even if they are not devout. It is a flag to rally behind when you feel a sense of injustice.

Yep. And the problem with it is that people lose all objectivity when religion comes into it. The point I was making is that you could say the same about 'devout' followers of anything, including political 'sides'. Which in a more objective and fact based arena does nothing but cloud the issue and provide people with easy 'outs', distractions and simply encourages trench building and name calling. Which is an insult to most peoples intelligence.

In reality, most people feel a sense of injustice.
Again states as fact, but probably true, to differing degrees of course.

Even if the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, it will be from that group that terrorists are cultivated by those who wish to manipulate their minds using manufactured religious fervour.
You only have to look at history to see that all this is nothing new.

Insert any religious, political or perceptibly persecuted group here, but yes.

A large Muslim population will be a problem all the time we have conflict in Muslim countries and when their population gets big enough, they will go from protest to making demands regardless.

Yep. Agreed with this point earlier. See above (apart from the scaremongering bit at the end).

Wake up. See above.

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Let me get this in.
Heard on the radio that the area around where this terrorist came from in Brum is like a major Islamic area.
Where you would normally find the Birmingham area crest it is a cresent. Like on benches and lampposts etc.
So how is that helping the integration into our western ways and thoughts.
Riddle me that then.
How and why was this done.
Clearly to placate the people who probably moaned and kicked up a fuss so as a minority the council gave in.(again)
FFS where does it end.
Or clearly it's just the beginning.
Politics again!!!!

Doing what they are doing and blaming what happened 1000 years ago and 'invasions' of majority Muslim countries is a smokescreen.
The problem is that crappy book they live their lives by.
Until it is read in a different way and not actually believed that we are all infidels deserving of death nothing will change.