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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


It's a nice belief.....a belief I would prefer to be true.

It just isn't.

Think about it......The reason the 100 metres is continually won by athletes from genes from African locations is directly due to the fact that those genes are best for sprinting.

Intelligence is much more complex than that but the same reality is also true. The gene pool you come from does affect your abilities.....in every single sphere of life.

Also, I always want to point out that these are averages and no one as an individual is described by a 'group' average.

However, the social constructionist argument is a lost one.....The longer we hold onto it the more damage we continue to do to innocents.

Read the 'Blank Slate' by Pinker.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2018 1.55pm)

Well I did give 3 links which dispute what you are saying and I've no doubt the link you supplied will back up what you say. I'll give your one a read but I think we'll have to agree to differ.

Regarding the 100m sprint it is true that the winners have mostly black american sprinters but there have also been many white winners since the Olympics began.

Edited by johnno42000 (01 Sep 2018 2.00pm)

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

Well I did give 3 links which dispute what you are saying and I've no doubt the link you supplied will back up what you say. I'll give your one a read but I think we'll have to agree to differ.

Regarding the 100m sprint it is true that the winners have mostly black american sprinters but there have also been many white winners since the Olympics began.

Edited by johnno42000 (01 Sep 2018 2.00pm)

With respect that's not a very cogent comment....think about it.

As for those links, the arguments against were poor and had zero statistics behind them....that's because the statistics aren't very good for them. Some of the second link's information didn't actually argue against the point.

They are reduced to arguing why the statistics are against their arguments.....It's weak and ideological.

Social constructionism has very few backers in the scientific biological field. It came from good intentions but it has historically and continues to damage people's life potential and blame people unfairly.....When nature has already decided much more than half the outcome.

Like I said, there will always been nay sayers.....just like with climate change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2018 2.12pm)

 

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Thought I'd log in to this thread and impart some perspective, after all I actually live in South Africa and witness the devastation of the apartheid legacy on a daily basis. However, having seen the raw racism evident in some of the commentary, I'll leave it to the armchair Trump supporting experts

 


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Originally posted by soulboy

Thought I'd log in to this thread and impart some perspective, after all I actually live in South Africa and witness the devastation of the apartheid legacy on a daily basis. However, having seen the raw racism evident in some of the commentary, I'll leave it to the armchair Trump supporting experts

I suspect the 'raw racism' is from you.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
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I suspect the 'raw racism' is from you.

Hi Stirling, it's been a while! I still have your 'white flight' post just in case anyone might need reminding of your approach to issues a race!

 


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Originally posted by soulboy

Thought I'd log in to this thread and impart some perspective, after all I actually live in South Africa and witness the devastation of the apartheid legacy on a daily basis. However, having seen the raw racism evident in some of the commentary, I'll leave it to the armchair Trump supporting experts

I'm friends with several South Africans. They miss South Africa but will not even visit due to how violent it is. How is that a legacy of Apartheid? - that was nearly thirty years ago now. A decently governed country would try to have law and order.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

With respect that's not a very cogent comment....think about it.

As for those links, the arguments against were poor and had zero statistics behind them....that's because the statistics aren't very good for them. Some of the second link's information didn't actually argue against the point.

They are reduced to arguing why the statistics are against their arguments.....It's weak and ideological.

Social constructionism has very few backers in the scientific biological field. It came from good intentions but it has historically and continues to damage people's life potential and blame people unfairly.....When nature has already decided much more than half the outcome.

Like I said, there will always been nay sayers.....just like with climate change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2018 2.12pm)

You did say 'the 100 metres is continually won by athletes from genes from African locations is directly due to the fact that those genes are best for sprinting.'

I'm presuming you mean black runners? If so this is factually incorrect. For long periods it wasn't continually won by black athletes and for the womens 100m it still isn't won continually by black athletes.

 


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Been here for seven years and love it. To be honest you'd witness more violence in Croydon on a Saturday night and I should know. End of my contribution.

Originally posted by ASCPFC


I'm friends with several South Africans. They miss South Africa but will not even visit due to how violent it is. How is that a legacy of Apartheid? - that was nearly thirty years ago now. A decently governed country would try to have law and order.

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

You did say 'the 100 metres is continually won by athletes from genes from African locations is directly due to the fact that those genes are best for sprinting.'

I'm presuming you mean black runners? If so this is factually incorrect. For long periods it wasn't continually won by black athletes and for the womens 100m it still isn't won continually by black athletes.


So I have to spell it out to you then.

Ok, we are talking genes here aren't we. The top ten fastest 100 metre sprinters in history.

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All ten males are black.....and I imagine all those genes come from the same genetic pool.
Eight out of ten females are black......the two slowest females in that list....nine and ten are white.

The same reality is found with the Marathon.....Genes dictate who wins and again, the African gene pool wins.

You seem to be under a significant amount of denial here.

I would have thought the reason for previous non African genes winning these events previously was blindingly obvious......poor access and in many instances no access.....as resources for competition improved the dominance continually increased with it.

Why do you think the UK does so well in the world of athletics for its size and population number of sprint athletes? It's because we are rich in comparison to many many nations and can afford to lavish money and opportunity on our athletes.

There will be numerous black Africans actually in Africa who never had the opportunity to sprint on the world stage but who could probably beat Bolt's times.

There will be very very few white athletes if any.

Genes are reality and social constructionism is a dead argument.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2018 7.49pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


So I have to spell it out to you then.

Ok, we are talking genes here aren't we. The top ten fastest 100 metre sprinters in history.

[Link]

All ten males are black.....and I imagine all those genes come from the same genetic pool.
Eight out of ten females are black......the two slowest females in that list....nine and ten are white.

The same reality is found with the Marathon.....Genes dictate who wins and again, the African gene pool wins.

You seem to be under a significant amount of denial here.

I would have thought the reason for previous non African genes winning these events previously was blindingly obvious......poor access and in many instances no access.....as resources for competition improved the dominance continually increased with it.

Why do you think the UK does so well in the world of athletics for its size and population number of sprint athletes? It's because we are rich in comparison to many many nations and can afford to lavish money and opportunity on our athletes.

There will be numerous black Africans actually in Africa who never had the opportunity to sprint on the world stage but who could probably beat Bolt's times.

I doubt there are very very few white athletes.

Genes are reality and social constructionism is a dead argument.


Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2018 3.43pm)

Believe what you will, but many, many people thankfully believe differently. Not going to comment any more so do feel free to have the last word as it obviously means a lot to you.

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

Believe what you will, but many, many people thankfully believe differently. Not going to comment any more so do feel free to have the last word as it obviously means a lot to you.


I believe what the evidence points to.

I don't believe in fairy stories because it's nicer.

I used to be one of those people because I didn't know better....the media don't advertise this information. They aren't interested in advertising the truth they only want you to know what suits their agenda and keeps them within the law.

So most normies just don't know about this. They believe what they are told.

Social constructionism has done nothing but lie and damage people.

No one is to blame for their genetics.

I think a lot of the problems are partly explained by this Feynman quote......it imparts the difference between people's preferenced ideas and reality....Instead of recognising their own flaws people turn away.

'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.'

Richard P. Feynman


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Originally posted by johnno42000

Believe what you will, but many, many people thankfully believe differently. Not going to comment any more so do feel free to have the last word as it obviously means a lot to you.

With respect. The idea that genes do not affect ability among humans is as flawed as believing that you could teach a chimp to read.
Nurture does not exclusively control height, hair colour, disease, muscularity and various other characteristics so why would anyone believe that it exclusively determines intelligence? And in any comparison of intelligence, someone must come bottom.

 

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