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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 31 Aug 18 3.28pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20


To suggest South Africa is 'marxist' is utter nonsense.

Yet another socialist/communist country going to the wall through death and poverty. Hard for you to accept with your left wing principles I know.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Aug 18 4.16pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

Isn't one of the boosts to a peoples progressing cross pollination of ideas? Rome has been mentioned but they had a lot of ideas from Greece and other countries around the Med.

Likewise a lot of information that was lost during the Dark Ages was saved within the Arab world and then re-introduced when the Moors invaded Spain.

Likewise, in the Far East, China was a leader in ideas and passed them on through contact with other civilisations.

We have been fortunate to have received new ideas, skills etc from being invaded and have taken these and added to them.

To say Southern Africa had not progressed as rapidly as other areas is probably true (the same with the North American Indians and Aboriginal tribes in Australia) but I think that is mainly due to the fact there was little (if any) contact with the world outside of that area, although they did create some amazing structures such as Great Zimbabwe, Naletale etc.

There are also some beautiful artefacts which have been found that are easily on a par with that found in the UK up to the early Middle Ages. Gold working, statues, carvings etc. Perhaps they just found their level and could live contentedly at that point?

That is a very round the houses way of admitting what has already been stated. Europe has achieved a technological level that no other civilization has managed in forty thousand years. It appears that Africa has been at the bottom of the league since man first left it.
Maybe the species that arrived in Europe and Asia before Homo Sapiens had a few genes that gave an advantage to mixed species offspring in terms of invention and organisation.
Of course, no scientist will ever admit that.
It took them this long to figure out that Neanderthals and Saps copulated at all.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is a very round the houses way of admitting what has already been stated. Europe has achieved a technological level that no other civilization has managed in forty thousand years. It appears that Africa has been at the bottom of the league since man first left it.
Maybe the species that arrived in Europe and Asia before Homo Sapiens had a few genes that gave an advantage to mixed species offspring in terms of invention and organisation.
Of course, no scientist will ever admit that.
It took them this long to figure out that Neanderthals and Saps copulated at all.

Asia has reached this point as well and, what they and Europe both have in common, is interaction with other cultures and populations. Would the UK have progressed as much if the Romans and others had not invaded? I'd guess they wouldn't have if they had remained completely isolated. I think eventually they would have contacted the other places in Europe as it is relatively close to the UK and gained extra skills that way.

Interestingly some of the early populations in South Africa had the skills to domesticate cattle and farm producing wheat and other crops. They also worked metal, including iron and lived in settlements so they had advanced. The southern African made this progression even though they were far further from other cultures than the people were in Europe.

I should add that I think the land grab is wrong and highly stupid. The government should encourage the white farmers to take on apprentices to learn the trade and then grant them land when qualified. The way they are doing it at present will help no one and I fear it will cause a famine.

Edited by johnno42000 (31 Aug 2018 4.57pm)

 


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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 31 Aug 18 5.12pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

There's so many people on here pussy-footing around.

Why not just come out and say that Black Africans are thicker than the rest of the planet's population ? It may well be the case. Who knows ?

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Aug 18 5.26pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

There's so many people on here pussy-footing around.

Why not just come out and say that Black Africans are thicker than the rest of the planet's population ? It may well be the case. Who knows ?

Obviously Wilfrid Zaha, a black african, is thicker than the rest of the planets' population ??????????????

Go and wash your mouth out.

 

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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 31 Aug 18 5.44pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Obviously Wilfrid Zaha, a black african, is thicker than the rest of the planets' population ??????????????

Go and wash your mouth out.

Why should I wash my mouth out ?

All I was saying is that this is what people are insinuating, but don't actually come out and say it.

And what has the ability to play football got to do with intelligence ? David Beckham's not the sharpest tool in the box either.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Aug 18 5.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

There's so many people on here pussy-footing around.

Why not just come out and say that Black Africans are thicker than the rest of the planet's population ? It may well be the case. Who knows ?

Well firstly because any evidence that proved that hypothesis scientifically would be suppressed and therefore unavailable.
We live in a world where equality is a legal requirement regardless of reality and to be fair, the world was a pretty ugly place when that was not the case.
In the end, we all have useful skills and attributes but maybe some of those are not necessarily conducive to technological progress or a societal progression.
I haven't invented bugger all. Does that make me inferior as an individual or just normal?
Certainly, certain individuals in various societies have made landmark discoveries and have created an environment where the gifted thinker can thrive.

Why?

A difficult question with little information to go on.

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 31 Aug 18 6.33pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle



Yet another socialist/communist country going to the wall through death and poverty
. Hard for you to accept with your left wing principles I know.

It's not socialism or communism that results in death and poverty but inept or corrupt leadership that uses socialism or communism as a banner & excuse for their failings. Not that I am an avid supporter of either in the first place though.

 

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Originally posted by Sportyteacher

It's not socialism or communism that results in death and poverty but inept or corrupt leadership that uses socialism or communism as a banner & excuse for their failings. Not that I am an avid supporter of either in the first place though.

It is worse than that 'inept or corrupt leadership', you are missing out the cause of most of the World's ills.

Who are these parasites.

Easy, the voters


 

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Originally posted by Sportyteacher

It's not socialism or communism that results in death and poverty but inept or corrupt leadership that uses socialism or communism as a banner & excuse for their failings. Not that I am an avid supporter of either in the first place though.

No that's where you are wrong because they are quite clearly using socialist policies from the start! Next you will tell me that the collapse of Venezuela has nothing to do with socialism...

 

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Originally posted by martin2412

There's so many people on here pussy-footing around.

Why not just come out and say that Black Africans are thicker than the rest of the planet's population ? It may well be the case. Who knows ?

What a daft thing to say. Africa is huge and places such as Timbuktu in Mali hold vast amounts of manuscripts containing knowledge written by both Africans and others. Here's a few more to show just how wrong you are [Link]

 


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Originally posted by Sportyteacher

It's not socialism or communism that results in death and poverty but inept or corrupt leadership that uses socialism or communism as a banner & excuse for their failings. Not that I am an avid supporter of either in the first place though.

I like your thinking.

So it wasn't Fascism that resulted in death and destruction.

It was the inept and corrupt leadership that used Fascism as a banner & excuse for their failings.

 

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