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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 03 Oct 18 6.48am Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by Numbers Man

It was a very disappointing evening all round. RH tactics were wrong in the first half by letting Bournemouth have unchallenged possession up to half way line and beyond. This led to their goal although both Townsend and Zaha were at fault by not tracking back. RH should note Bournemouth’s fitness levels and how they get everybody behind the ball when defending but break in numbers when attacking. Distribution out of defence was poor and Sakho is making too many mistakes and should be replaced and moved on in this January.

Bournemouth impressed and sadly, we're in for another season struggling for results at the bottom of the table.

 


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View victor43's Profile victor43 Flag St. Albans 03 Oct 18 9.19am Send a Private Message to victor43 Add victor43 as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Bournemouth review and our attacking problems' by Midlands Eagle

"So what is the solution?

Regardless of personnel, I think a return to 4-4-2 will help get the most out of the attackers in this team. Zaha produces much more down the middle and Ayew is struggling on his own. While Benteke is out, I would look to recreate the system at the end of last season, with Townsend and Zaha up front together, with 4 central midfielders across the midfield:

Hennessey

AWB – Tomkins – Sakho – PVA

McArthur – Luka – Kouyate – Meyer

Townsend – Zaha

While Meyer will not drive forward with the ball at his feet as much as Loftus-Cheek did, he is very toidy on the ball and always looks to progress it forward. From what we’ve seen he will link well with Zaha and PVA in terms of short passing. I feel this system also gets the best out of McArthur and frees up Townsend from being stuck on the right wing.

If this system works, then Benteke could find it tough to force his way back in. If not, I would drop Townsend back on to the right wing, and Benteke can replace McArthur."

I agree with this in it's entirety, including the suggested line up and formation. It's just a system that works for us.

If I'm not mistaken, Meyers first 5 minutes as a Palace player were in a left central attacking position where he linked up with Wilf as the left forward and got an assist.

I really want to see him as the forward creative force in the team. If used correctly, the bond he and Wilf could conjure up has the potential to be really special.

He's the type of player you can play in Midfield, and technically he will be sound all game and probably pull a number of classy perfomances out the bag. But if we are really going to get the best out of him, it will be from positions he is able to really create.

Despite the fact I actually think we were pretty poor on Monday, on the whole, its a very good article. Will be sure to keep posted for more in the future.

Edited by Mstrobez (03 Oct 2018 5.03am)

Thanks, much appreciated. Played well was probably an exaggeration but I don't think we were as bad as people were suggesting. Sometimes I think people expect us to rock up at places like Bournemouth and dominate from start to finish. In games between even teams, there is always going to be periods where different teams are on top.

 


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View victor43's Profile victor43 Flag St. Albans 03 Oct 18 9.44am Send a Private Message to victor43 Add victor43 as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Bournemouth review and our attacking problems' by Midlands Eagle

It says "Palace played well up until the 80th minute against the Cherries"

Not really necessary to read beyond that. If I do so I find a dense and long wodge of text full of statistics and you're right - it would take about an hour to digest that lot. I've got a C++ manual here that's less stodgy and expecting me to treat it as evidence that we were decent for 80 minutes last night is insulting my intelligence. I saw the game, we were mostly toilet, pretty much everyone else is of the same view, and trying to massage numbers to "prove" otherwise is bonkers. The only people who can make sensible use of statistics to analyse a game are the performance analysts who monitor the players as they train and play.

It's the sort of stuff American sports journalists write about games they haven't seen.

Just OOI, do you regard the validity of "expected goals" as axiomatic?

Edited by chateauferret (02 Oct 2018 9.13pm)

Haha wow I don't understand why people seem to get wound up by the use of stats in football articles.

I wasn't trying to 'prove' anything, just presented some numbers to support my opinion. I felt, for the first 80 minutes:
- we defended okay, didn't give up many clear chances for Bournemouth
- passed the ball well, got the ball up to the opponents penalty area frequently
- were very bad at converting good positions into actual shots/ chances

I also took into consideration that Bournemouth are a good team who have started the season well, especially at home. Played 'well' might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but we weren't 'toilet' in my opinion. And that is all it is, an opinion.

Also, thanks for throwing axiomatic in there, I'd never heard of it before! After googling, no I don't think anything is beyond question, and I wouldn't have used it if I hadn't have watched the game. However I do believe expected goals can help to describe the quality of chances in a game, and it has been shown by a few statisticians (a lot smarter than me) that it is a better predictor of future goals than actual goals.

Here is an example if you're interested, but I warn you it's quite a 'dense and long wodge of text'.
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View Jimmy's Profile Jimmy Flag Balham 03 Oct 18 10.12pm Send a Private Message to Jimmy Add Jimmy as a friend

Originally posted by Tez

As usual AWB the only player with any real quality in the side.

Sakho and PVA have been crap.

Well that’s a positive post to the team and management that have kept us in the PL for so long. But hey, There is nothing like having a good panic and forgetting you are a fan, is there Tez?

Ps, I’ve not had any DMs from you for a couple of days, are you playing hard to get?


 


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Originally posted by premier fan

Sakho always flings his arms around to maintain balance and use his strength. It all happened behind him (out of sight) it was unfortunate and I can see why the pen was given but I wouldn't be too harsh. I reckon 50% of referees wouldn't have given that.

Sorry but totally disagree... he had just been warned... Then in slow motion you see him have a sneaky look and he knows exactly what he's doing... it was stupidity at the highest level.

 


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chateauferret Flag 04 Oct 18 8.53am

Originally posted by victor43

Haha wow I don't understand why people seem to get wound up by the use of stats in football articles.

I wasn't trying to 'prove' anything, just presented some numbers to support my opinion. I felt, for the first 80 minutes:
- we defended okay, didn't give up many clear chances for Bournemouth
- passed the ball well, got the ball up to the opponents penalty area frequently
- were very bad at converting good positions into actual shots/ chances

I also took into consideration that Bournemouth are a good team who have started the season well, especially at home. Played 'well' might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but we weren't 'toilet' in my opinion. And that is all it is, an opinion.

Also, thanks for throwing axiomatic in there, I'd never heard of it before! After googling, no I don't think anything is beyond question, and I wouldn't have used it if I hadn't have watched the game. However I do believe expected goals can help to describe the quality of chances in a game, and it has been shown by a few statisticians (a lot smarter than me) that it is a better predictor of future goals than actual goals.

Here is an example if you're interested, but I warn you it's quite a 'dense and long wodge of text'.
[Link]

WTF is wrong with looking at a game, feeling how it's going and sensing the atmosphere, the tensions and the passion? And admiring the skills on show. I don't know if that would make your heart beat faster but it sure as f*** would make a better read.

 


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View KAOS's Profile KAOS Flag In a tree 04 Oct 18 9.40am Send a Private Message to KAOS Add KAOS as a friend

Originally posted by victor43

Thanks, much appreciated. Played well was probably an exaggeration but I don't think we were as bad as people were suggesting. Sometimes I think people expect us to rock up at places like Bournemouth and dominate from start to finish. In games between even teams, there is always going to be periods where different teams are on top.

That's a very good point and Bournemouth are no mugs.

That said, as someone else posted the below is our strongest team / formation ... and I agree:


Hennessey
AWB Tomkine Sakho PVA
Mac Luka Kouayte Meyer
Townsend Zaha

However, I still feel that team is weaker than last year as Kouyate & Meyer have arguably replaced Cabaye & RLC ...

So on that basis we can expect a tougher season than the way we ended last season. People have assumed we were just going to kick on in a similar fashion but overlooked the impact replacing 2 influential midfielders with 1 unproven Prem player in Meyer and 1 'questionable' Prem regular in Kouyate!


 

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View ARGILE OLD GEEZER's Profile ARGILE OLD GEEZER Flag PORTIMAO 06 Oct 18 8.07am Send a Private Message to ARGILE OLD GEEZER Add ARGILE OLD GEEZER as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

I can't understand how any fans are defending Sakho after last night. The bloke is a liability and his luck has finally run out. He has been blessed that he hasnt cost us a lot more goals as every sinle game he gives the ball away in shocking positions because he can't kicka ball straight, he looks like a 5 year old kicking a ball in his daddies slippers.

Tomkins is twice the player of Sakho.
The sooner the better Dann returns.

I think you will find he doesn't oust Sakho

 

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