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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 01 Nov 18 4.45am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Only just saw the game and I gotta feel sorry for Meyer. Itís inevitable fans will start turning on him.

He canít get a game, and when he does, heís being played out of position. Heís a creative midfielder. Not a defensive one.

To me this just stinks of utter incompetence from our scouting department, who seem to be unable to differentiate between ďdeepĒ and ďdefensiveĒ.

He played one season for Schalke ďdeepĒ in a Jorginho type role, and they seemed to of translated that to someone who could replace Cabaye.

The guy is not a defensive midfielder, heís a creative one. Iíve said it since the start, were not gonna get the best out of him playing him in Cabayes role, itís really as simple as that.

So frustrating to watch Schlupp and Mccarthur as our furthest forward midfielders when Meyer is on the pitch. Heís being completely wasted.

I guess itís all rather academic, considering he canít get a game in the league anyway. But, still, it would be utterly criminal for us to waste what is arguably the most technically gifted player weíve ever had at the club in this way.

Why canít Roy see this?

Edited by Mstrobez (01 Nov 2018 4.47am)

 


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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 01 Nov 18 6.06am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

I don't know.

Its worrying that a player of Meyers quality is looking pretty average in our team .

 

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View lefty27's Profile lefty27 Flag ipswich 01 Nov 18 6.40am Send a Private Message to lefty27 Add lefty27 as a friend

We do seem quite good at ruining players at the moment. Benteke canít hit a barn door, Jairo and now Meyer.
Maybe itís the rigidity of our system. We are a team thatís whole existence based around merely existing in the premier league and that means we have to play in a certain way.
We are lucky we have Wilf really, without him we would be a pretty dull watch but he is probably the one luxury player a team like us can afford.

Edited by lefty27 (01 Nov 2018 6.41am)

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 01 Nov 18 7.20am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Wasn't defensive midfield where he made his name?

Edit. This from Sky Sports:

Sky Germany reporter Max Bielefeld recently spoke to the Transfer Talk podcast about Meyer, saying: "Without doubt, Max Meyer is a really talented guy but he had one good season with Schalke.

"He owes a lot to the new manager Tedesco because what he did was make Meyer play as a defensive midfielder in a No 6 or No 8 position when previously, he was always considered a No 10. That was last season when he played really well."

I'm not saying you're wrong mind, but there's an impression out there that he was a great DM at Schalke. Maybe there's a nuance between 'defensive' and 'deep' that people have missed though, like you say.


Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (01 Nov 2018 7.29am)

 

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 01 Nov 18 7.32am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Wasn't defensive midfield where he made his name?

Edit. This from Sky Sports:

Sky Germany reporter Max Bielefeld recently spoke to the Transfer Talk podcast about Meyer, saying: "Without doubt, Max Meyer is a really talented guy but he had one good season with Schalke.

"He owes a lot to the new manager Tedesco because what he did was make Meyer play as a defensive midfielder in a No 6 or No 8 position when previously, he was always considered a No 10. That was last season when he played really well."

I'm not saying you're wrong mind, but there's an impression out there that he was a great DM at Schalke. Maybe there's a nuance between 'defensive' and 'deep that people have missed though, like you say.

Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (01 Nov 2018 7.28am)

Made his name as a number 10. Thats where he played when people were making a big fuss. Also where he played for Germany at the olympics and u21 Euroís.

He played in a 3 for Schalke last season. Mainly with Goretzka and Bentaleb or Geis. Those 2 were box to box and would be in charge of the more physical duties. Meyers role was as a playmaker, just from a deeper position. The simplistic analysis of journalists etc. Is to say that means he was a defensive midfielder, but he just wasnít. Itís was a particular type of system that just meant he took up a certain position.

Even without these facts. Itís pretty clear to see he isnít a defensive midfielder & heís not a like for like replacement for Cabaye at all. Cabaye wasnít even really a defensive midfielder to begin with, but he had the attributes to be converted into one.

2 entirely different players. Everytime Meyer is in the final 3rd he looks a threat. The ďdeepĒ role doesnít work in our system of play unless youíre also a tenacious and defensive ball winning midfielder.


Edited by Mstrobez (01 Nov 2018 7.41am)

 


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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 01 Nov 18 7.34am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by lefty27

We do seem quite good at ruining players at the moment. Benteke canít hit a barn door, Jairo and now Meyer.
Maybe itís the rigidity of our system. We are a team thatís whole existence based around merely existing in the premier league and that means we have to play in a certain way.
We are lucky we have Wilf really, without him we would be a pretty dull watch but he is probably the one luxury player a team like us can afford.

Edited by lefty27 (01 Nov 2018 6.41am)

Itís true. I agree completely.

The problem is, that plan has a sell by date. And once the sell by dates passed, we get relegated and all of a sudden our survival players that we spend big bucks on leave & our style of play has already been surpassed by half of the teams in the championship.

Been saying this for years.

If weíre gonna stick to the system we use. Meyer should be taking the role Schlupp had last night and the role we see Mccarthur in during league games.

 


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View aashman12's Profile aashman12 Flag 01 Nov 18 7.41am Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Can see this all ending soon in a very palace like manor.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Nov 18 7.54am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Have Luka and/or kouyate in front of the defence, or kouyate to the right, Meyer can pick the ball up deep, midfield or higher up and be that central creative spark I canít remember the last time we had.

If anyone canít see that after his sub appearance v Arsenal they need to be asked and ask themselves some serious questions.

We also have lower expectations than Schalke, and less immediate on Meyer to deliver his highest, which should be factored in too.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Nov 18 7.57am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

If it becomes obvious Roy is too stubborn to use this dangerous player and we continue to fail then Iím afraid Iíll want Roy gone asap. The match day frustrations with Roy I accepted when he was producing excellent, consistent results, but if heís not and itís obvious why and he wonít change... I didnít go ballistic at all this season btw.

 


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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 01 Nov 18 8.15am Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

I don't know.

Its worrying that a player of Meyers quality is looking pretty average in our team .

Agreed. Our team are a bunch of square pegs being shoved into round holes

 

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 01 Nov 18 8.30am Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If it becomes obvious Roy is too stubborn to use this dangerous player and we continue to fail then Iím afraid Iíll want Roy gone asap. The match day frustrations with Roy I accepted when he was producing excellent, consistent results, but if heís not and itís obvious why and he wonít change... I didnít go ballistic at all this season btw.

I like Roy, I think he's about right for us at the moment. However, buying players like Guaita and Meyer and then taking 10 years to get them into the team is embarrassing. Wayne is doing ok but we need better than ok and I thought that was why we signed a top European goalkeeper. I can see this turning into a Steve M type situation.

As for Meyer, he's obviously got quality, I love how he changes things when he comes on. I just don't understand why he is not starting in the Prem.

It's the same with Jairo. We try and ship him out to Swansea and for Ayew!!!!!! So glad he said no but he must be feeling like he made a big mistake coming here.

I know Roy doesn't like to change a winning team but he doesn't seem to want to change a losing one either.

That said I have to believe that Roy sees stuff in training that we don't but the fact that AWB would not be in the team now if it were not for the fact that we were just so short at the time that we just needed a body in that position.

It does not fill me with confidence that we can have such a talented player in our academy and he would have probably have been moved on save for Ward being crock.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 01 Nov 18 8.38am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

You can see that Meyer is a good player, neat on the ball, tidy in possession and always available for the ball.
However, I struggle to see how he fits into the way Roy sets out his teams and think he will have a limited role as an impact sub.
I think the scouting department got him in because he was Ďfreeí and had a good pedigree with Schalke and Germany.
Clearly he is a different type of player to Cabaye or RLC and Roy doesnít seem to know what to do with him.
Personally I would like to see him with two defensive midfielders behind him with Meyer as an advanced midfield player trying to release the forwards.
He already seems to be on the same wavelength as Wilf.

 

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