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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 29 Jun 19 10.24am Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by midlandspalace

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49 clubs have been in the Premier league since it started. There are currently 20 places in the league. The "top 6" are untouchable in terms of revenue and spending power, unless another club gets taken over by a sovereign wealth fund (Norway anyone?) to use as publicity without any concern about losses.

Only 19 teams on that list have more seasons than us, and that includes 7 clubs who are now not in the Premier League.

There are a number of posters here who need to get a sense of perspective. The whole tenor of this board has changed since we have had a long spell in the top division. We have no divine right to be here, and all 14 teams outside the top six are in danger of being relegated at any time.

Yes I know some here are bored with the "I've watched Palace for 50+ years in all divisions" group, but at least we are supporters who watch the club wherever they are in the league. There is a generation of fans who have grown up knowing nothing but the Premier League, grown up watching wall to wall football on tv, and think that life only exists in the Premier League.

Will I disappointed if we get relegated? of course I will. Will i still support Palace? of course I will.

Look again at that list of 49 clubs, and enjoy what we have whilst we have it. We are more successful now than we have ever been. We have some of the best players we have ever had. The moaning that goes on here is just unbelievable.

Rant over, feel free to throw things.

Every football fan has their take on things, itís a view from their own perspective. Now I havenít followed the club for 50 years yet, but I have seen more lows than highs for sure, so we have a lot more to grumble about than a lot of fans of other clubs...

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Jun 19 10.25am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by midlandspalace

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49 clubs have been in the Premier league since it started. There are currently 20 places in the league. The "top 6" are untouchable in terms of revenue and spending power, unless another club gets taken over by a sovereign wealth fund (Norway anyone?) to use as publicity without any concern about losses.

Only 19 teams on that list have more seasons than us, and that includes 7 clubs who are now not in the Premier League. Only 6 teams on that list have never been relegated. This is the first spell we have had in the Premier League without getting relegated after one season.

There are a number of posters here who need to get a sense of perspective. The whole tenor of this board has changed since we have had a long spell in the top division. We have no divine right to be here, and all 14 teams outside the top six are in danger of being relegated at any time.

Yes I know some here are bored with the "I've watched Palace for 50+ years in all divisions" group, but at least we are supporters who watch the club wherever they are in the league. There is a generation of fans who have grown up knowing nothing but the Premier League, grown up watching wall to wall football on tv, and think that life only exists in the Premier League.

Will I disappointed if we get relegated? of course I will. Will i still support Palace? of course I will.

Look again at that list of 49 clubs, and enjoy what we have whilst we have it. We are more successful now than we have ever been. We have some of the best players we have ever had. The moaning that goes on here is just unbelievable.

Rant over, feel free to throw things.

Edited by midlandspalace (29 Jun 2019 10.21am)

Well I'm bored with one of that group in particular ! And I'm in the group myself.

Good rant !

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jun 19 10.52am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

It's a bad deal all around.

Parish wanted £60m. We got £45m + £5m
Parish wanted 25% Wilf clause dropped. They said no.
We didn't need to sell, player said he want to go so we sold.

AWB was on £10k is now on £80k but most players signed for over m are on £200k. Walker at Man City, Benteke, Sakho even Cabaye was on more when we got him for £10m.

AWB is a pretty poor wage deal considering.

Man United are the winners. Parish backed down, AWB accepted less than he deserved. That's my summary.

AWBís wage will rise as he proves himself.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag Chelsea 29 Jun 19 11.45am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Good on Parish sticking the boot in and getting a sell on clause. The top clubs need to be a little bit more giving in these deals. Without the lower clubs there would be no league. We donít survive on nothing. We need a good deal to keep the premier alive and competitive. Liverpool gave us such a rotten deal with Benteke and sahko. Looks like SP has learnt well. Blooody northern b*******s.
at least Chelsea are half decent with us.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 19 11.52am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

And what do you propose to do to stop the board doing what they want then ? My guess is sweet F.A. You did mention giving up your season ticket - good, there's a waiting list for them so you have the chance to make someone happy.

You talk about a lack of ambition - ok, would you care to share what you think Palace should be aiming for and how you think they can achieve it ?


Edited by NEILLO (29 Jun 2019 1.32am)

Sure.

Sell the club to richer owners who have a desire to win something.

Improve scouting and stop wasting money on poor players.

Get the ground redeveloped properly.

Buy/build a better training facility.

Stop selling your best talent to PL rivals.

Man City was a nothing club and look where they are now.

Money talks.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jun 19 11.59am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sure.

Sell the club to richer owners who have a desire to win something.

Improve scouting and stop wasting money on poor players.

Get the ground redeveloped properly.

Buy/build a better training facility.

Stop selling your best talent to PL rivals.

Man City was a nothing club and look where they are now.

Money talks.

I agree with you, only we have major US shareholders that donít want to invest and our scouting and recruitment apart from a couple of windows has been poor. Again, that is partly why weíre in the financial position weíre in, weíre hamstrung on transfer activity and have to sell to buy.

Also, as you know, getting new owners isnít that easy, and your plan of living by off loans only because we have practically nothing to spend with and keeping every single good player isnít a concrete plan because you can end up with some right wastes of time and space.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 19 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I agree with you, only we have major US shareholders that donít want to invest and our scouting and recruitment apart from a couple of windows has been poor. Again, that is partly why weíre in the financial position weíre in, weíre hamstrung on transfer activity and have to sell to buy.

Also, as you know, getting new owners isnít that easy, and your plan of living by off loans only because we have practically nothing to spend with and keeping every single good player isnít a concrete plan because you can end up with some right wastes of time and space.

The sooner they sell the club better now.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 29 Jun 19 12.11pm

Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

It's a bad deal all around.

Parish wanted £60m. We got £45m + £5m
Parish wanted 25% Wilf clause dropped. They said no.
We didn't need to sell, player said he want to go so we sold.

AWB was on £10k is now on £80k but most players signed for over m are on £200k. Walker at Man City, Benteke, Sakho even Cabaye was on more when we got him for £10m.

AWB is a pretty poor wage deal considering.

Man United are the winners. Parish backed down, AWB accepted less than he deserved. That's my summary.

Hard to argue with facts, good post.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Jun 19 12.25pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sure.

Sell the club to richer owners who have a desire to win something.

Improve scouting and stop wasting money on poor players.

Get the ground redeveloped properly.

Buy/build a better training facility.

Stop selling your best talent to PL rivals.

Man City was a nothing club and look where they are now.

Money talks.

So you basically want Palace to be another Chelsea / Man City ?

You make it sound so simple - but it isn't.

We already have billionaire owners. On the face of it, their contribution has been minimal. And now they want to sell their shares and that has been the case for some months now. Despite a few rumours I have seen no evidence of a serious offer being made.

Improve scouting - yes, that certainly needs to be done and should be achievable. But first I think there has to be recognition within the club that it is actually an issue - not seeing that at all. There has been a shift in how they go about their business but it's still all reporting into DF.

Get the ground redeveloped - as you well know that is work in progress albeit at snails pace. You can't just wave a magic wand and it happens.

The Academy is being invested in - I'm not aware of a burning requirement to replace the training ground.

Are Man Utd our '' rivals '' ? I think not.

Money talks indeed and potentially new ownership could address some of what needs to be done. But at the moment we have the same ownership as a year ago and we are where we are.

One of the big differences is my mentality v. yours is that you seem to struggle with the reality of the situation as it is now.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jun 19 1.00pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The sooner they sell the club better now.

Yep. But how long thatíll take in real life is guesswork.

We cannot rely on getting by on loans.

 


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View fishbone's Profile fishbone Flag London 29 Jun 19 1.04pm Send a Private Message to fishbone Add fishbone as a friend

Really sad to see him go but am glad that he is going places and will experience European football which I don't feel will happen with palace within the next 3 years!!

 

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View pompeyeagle's Profile pompeyeagle Flag Relocated to Shropshire 29 Jun 19 1.17pm Send a Private Message to pompeyeagle Add pompeyeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Time will tell and if we are bottom 3 at Christmas after selling AWB and Wilf, whoís going to say ď you know what this wasnít such a great moveĒ

Selling those 2 isnít going to make us a better side for sure, and letís not forget how s*** our home form has been for 3 seasons now.

Away from home Wilf was our get out of jail free card and we wonít have that luxury anymore.

We are nailed on to get relegated....

I think itís a bit premature to start talking about relegation. Iím sure the fans of the three sides who came up have a lot more to worry about than we have as do probably Brighton. Clearly whether Wilf goes or not we are going to need several additions to the squad and Iím sure they will arrive in due course. Still six weeks to go so no need to panic yet.

 

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