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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 03 Feb 19 7.53pm Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

I can see him going City in the summer. Pep is looking to replace both full backs, given Mendy now has a very dodgy knee and Walker can be very dodgy full stop.

Expect AWB and Chilwell from Leicester to be their full backs next season.

Would be good to get Clyne back with the money.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Feb 19 11.51am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

I can see him going City in the summer. Pep is looking to replace both full backs, given Mendy now has a very dodgy knee and Walker can be very dodgy full stop.

Expect AWB and Chilwell from Leicester to be their full backs next season.

Would be good to get Clyne back with the money.

This is AWB's first full season in the first team. My advice to him would be to stay at Palace for one more season whilst he learns his trade. He is a great player but he does make mistakes reading the game he uses his pace and his brilliant last ditch tackles to compensate.

Most old pro's say that you need 100 games before you can be considered an experienced player. If he goes to City in August their fans will expect the complete player not some one who is learning their trade. Wilf went to Man United too early and it damaged his career, he may never play for a top 4 club?

Anyway here's hoping the same doesn't happen to AWB and that he gives us one more season. If he gets an England call up with Palace that should also help.

 


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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 04 Feb 19 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

To be honest, he can make the step up this summer - the training, the facilities, the culture at city, as an example, under pep, a top player shines.

Now, do i want him to go... honestly, yes. He deserves it, he has been nothing but a god send for us, he is 100% professional, he lets his football do the talking and his emotions are in check, he takes everything in his stride, he has handled his fame so well - i haven't heard much from him he doesn't seem to have a mouth or attitude, he just does the business.

Sure, another year would be nice, but... in football, you gotta take your chances.

It's that age old saying, if you love someone, you set them free.

What he will achieve will be amazing.

 


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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 04 Feb 19 4.16pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Be a shame to see him go but I think he wouldn't look out of place at a top club, or Arsenal.

 


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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 05 Feb 19 2.18am Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Ward is more than a reasonable plan b, the selling of Wilf and AWB as a shame as it would be, could bring in 4 decent players, two in each position. Plus whatever the board bring to the table, could be 5/6 signings this summer - imagine on the likes of milo, Andros, Tomkins etc.
Start scouting now i say.

 


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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 05 Feb 19 7.03am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

we have a player where, no matter the opponent, you think: they've screwed up here and got one on one with AWB.

That's a valuable defender...it means one of 2 things will happen, the winger/wide player lays it off or the opposing team get a throw in.

As the world learns you don't take him on, he can work on other aspects of his game. His need to tackle will diminish.

I've been impressed by our ability to keep Wilf, so I'll not predict the departure of AWB.

I bet Wilf hates training against him.

 

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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 05 Feb 19 7.06am Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

we have a player where, no matter the opponent, you think: they've screwed up here and got one on one with AWB.

That's a valuable defender...it means one of 2 things will happen, the winger/wide player lays it off or the opposing team get a throw in.

As the world learns you don't take him on, he can work on other aspects of his game. His need to tackle will diminish.

I've been impressed by our ability to keep Wilf, so I'll not predict the departure of AWB.

I bet Wilf hates training against him.

I could well imagine it helps and pushes both of them no end. If AWB comes up against Wilf on a regular basis in training them I'll bet come matchday he isn't scared of facing anyone. Could well be a key factor in his rise.

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 05 Feb 19 7.52am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

I could well imagine it helps and pushes both of them no end. If AWB comes up against Wilf on a regular basis in training them I'll bet come matchday he isn't scared of facing anyone. Could well be a key factor in his rise.

maybe it's made Wilf less certain he can beat a player though. if he goes past AWB as often as the average world class winger does...

 

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View brides's Profile brides Flag Arnside . South lakes 05 Feb 19 9.18am Send a Private Message to brides Add brides as a friend

Sell AWB and Wilf get £110 mill in the bank .,, then sell the deadwoid, get rid if the no hopers and use the money to bring in 4 or 5 players.

I wouls even sell Sakho for £30 MILL.

 

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View You What's Profile You What Flag se25 05 Feb 19 10.49am Send a Private Message to You What Add You What as a friend

I find it unbelievable that so called fans on this group want to let our best players go for “their own good” and because “ they have been such good servants to us”.How are we supposed to get anywhere with an attitude like that. How about we keep our best players and get better ourselves. Maybe we could beat City away again next season or maybe we should just accept that we are poor Palace & don’t deserve good players. Unreal!!!!!!!!! Sound more like the Plastics down the A23!!!

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View HeathMan's Profile HeathMan Flag Purley 05 Feb 19 11.06am Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

There is a Palace team being built. Currently played 25, points gained 26. Thirteen games to play, another 26 points will give us a good season, 39 plus the Cup will send an exceptional message. COYP

 

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View Qwijibo's Profile Qwijibo Flag Bournemouth 08 Feb 19 10.16pm Send a Private Message to Qwijibo Add Qwijibo as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'The rise of Aaron Wan-Bissaka: ‘A lot of the time ' by Midlands Eagle

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Crystal Palace’s right-back star on being the best tackler in Europe’s big leagues, wanting to be Ronaldinho and his toughest opponent


Evidence Aaron Wan-Bissaka does actually do flustered surfaced at a little after 2pm on Tuesday. The novice full-back who had confronted and contained Christian Eriksen, Alexis Sánchez and Eden Hazard on his first three senior outings and has established himself as the most prolific and cleanest tackler across Europe’s elite five leagues, was backstage at his old school, Good Shepherd, when his name was announced inside the assembly hall.

The boy from New Addington turned Crystal Palace full-back had anticipated an audience with a couple of classes at most, so the ear-splitting din summoned by the excitable throng, 250-strong, rocked him on his heels. There was a flicker of apprehension, a sheepish smile as he edged into the hall, and disbelief at the delighted bedlam. “It’s mad to see,” he offered once the Q&A and quiz had been successfully negotiated. “A lot of the time I can’t really get my head around it, but it shows I’ve come a long way. I have to be grateful.”

Wan-Bissaka is slowly coming to terms with the adulation, even if trips back to this corner of Croydon tend to labour the point. His parents still live round the corner from the school, across from the sloped field where he first ventured out with his older brother, Kevin, for a kickabout. “There’d be balls flying everywhere, a free for all. The council would cut the grass every now and then and we’d play proper 15-a-side matches, and I’d be first pick, even though I was probably the youngest. It was the skills. The free-styling. I loved watching Thierry Henry and Ronaldinho expressing themselves, so that’s what I copied.”

These days the kids tend to spot his car on his visits home, before camping outside the Wan-Bissakas’ house, taking turns to ring the doorbell and pester for an autograph. Up at the community centre in nearby Fieldway, where the Palace for Life Foundation teams up with Croydon council and the Metropolitan Police to run coaching courses aimed at tackling youth violence, he is the poster boy. Those in attendance at Good Shepherd included a local publican seeking a signature on a pair of boots, and Father Boyle, brandishing the player’s baptism certificate, from the neighbouring church. Wan-Bissaka is the local lad, from one of the borough’s poorest wards, made spectacularly good.

Most remarkable is the ease with which he has taken to the Premier League. At 14 there had been a debate at Palace as to whether Wan-Bissaka, a quiet, gangly kid, should be retained. By early 2017 the boyhood Arsenal supporter was still essentially striving to make his mark at a club brimming with wingers. Twelve months ago, as an unused fourth-choice right-back, he had pushed for a move to League Two. On Saturday he confronts West Ham as the best one-on-one defender in the division this season having mustered more successful tackles (66 of 91) than anyone in the Premier League, Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue Un or Primera Liga.


He is the only player in England to boast 40 or more tackles, completed take-ons (40) and interceptions (57), and only seven opponents have successfully wriggled beyond him. And all this from a player – his nickname is “Spider” – who has never received any formal coaching on how to tackle. “No, none. Never. I have no idea where I get it from, and I’m just as confused when I see all the stats. I’d never tackle on Walton Green. I was too busy doing the tricks, and I just didn’t like defending. I’d intercept the ball because I was quick, but I only probably started tackling in the under-23s.

“I’d always been a forward, from playing above my age group at [the local grassroots club] Junior Elite, where my brother played – he was better than me – to joining Palace at 11. I went through all the teenage stuff, where you don’t see the pathway and do things without thinking, but Palace and my dad, Ambrose, snapped me out of it. He’s always been a guiding light: ‘Keep going, work hard, things will turn.’”

The then first-team coach, Kevin Keen, had hauled him from the academy to make up the numbers and was impressed with the way he succeeded in nullifying Wilfried Zaha. Yet it was the under-23 coaches, Richard Shaw and Dave Reddington, who took the plunge by employing the tearaway winger at right-back in a 2-2 draw at Charlton. The rookie was exposed at times.

“I really didn’t enjoy it,” said Wan-Bissaka. “I couldn’t express myself going forward, the defending was all new, and I came away thinking: ‘This isn’t me.’ I never said anything, but Redders and Shawsy knew. They started working with me, doing second sessions, practising defensive drills. That’s when it started.

“Training up against Wilf and Yannick Bolasie toughened me up. When I was younger my playing style was like Wilf’s, so that sort of gave me a heads-up, but he’s still a tricky one. As an ex-winger, you get a sense of what they’re trying to do: which way they might go, how they’re thinking. You can anticipate things easier. When Roy Hodgson changed my timetable to full-time with the first team, I knew I was making progress even if I still never played.

“Last January there was interest from League Two in a loan but towards the end of the window nothing had happened and I was panicking. I asked Brighty [Mark Bright, the club’s director of under-23s’ development] to put the question in, and he came back saying the manager wanted to see me. I went in on my day off, just before the first team were training.

“I was in the changing-room for 30 minutes, waiting, only for [Hodgson] eventually to come in and say he didn’t feel I’d benefit from the type of football I’d play at that level, and that I should stay and learn. I was a bit upset because I’d really wanted to go. I just didn’t see myself playing any time soon. But he actually made me put my kit on and train then and there.”

It would take an injury crisis four weeks later to offer an opportunity to become the first academy graduate to make his debut for the senior side for 2,148 days. “On the day before the game with Tottenham Hotspur I’d counted up there were 19 of us training, including two other under&#8209;23s, so I was sure I’d make the bench. We all piled into the analysis meeting where they put the lineup up on the whiteboard. I’d always scan the bench first, at the bottom, because I’m realistic. But I wasn’t on it. I was gutted. I don’t know who tapped me on the shoulder first, but that made me look at the top of the list and there I was, second down, at right-back.

“Spurs, Christian Eriksen ... the first thing that went through my mind was it was going to be a long afternoon. But the manager clearly had faith in me. My aim has always been to make him proud because he gave me a chance. I went to bed earlier than usual that night, and was buzzing until I got to the ground on match day. Then, 10 minutes before kick-off, the nerves kicked in until the first tackle. It was on Ben Davies. He cut in-field away from me and kept running, but I don’t think he knew I had such long legs. I chased him down, slid in and took the ball to set up a counter. I wasn’t shy. I never looked back from that.”

The ensuing weeks brought encounters with Sánchez, Marcus Rashford and Hazard. “He [Hazard] was the toughest. He’s just busy. I’m not saying I can’t read him, but he does so much on the ball, and off it too. He doesn’t just get it and pass it on. He always does something: maybe not directly against me, but something that affects me somehow, dragging me out of position, freeing someone else up to run at me. He’s so clever, one of the best. At the same time, those are the situations you learn most from.”

Wan-Bissaka’s form has been a revelation to such an extent that, when he gave the ball away at the end of last weekend’s victory over Fulham, Hodgson admitted to being “relieved because I was starting to think he might be a robot”. Nothing has fazed Wan-Bissaka, other than possibly the plaudits. He has the episodes of Match of the Day when Alan Shearer gushed over his performance Sky-plussed back home.

Gareth Southgate has taken notice before next month’s Euro 2020 qualifiers. Wan-Bissaka once played up front for DR Congo’s Under-17s in a friendly at St George’s Park, but has since represented England to Under&#8209;21 level and the Football Association, having lost Victor Moses and Zaha to Nigeria and Ivory Coast, will be anxious not to let another prospect nurtured in south London slip away. “Yannick spoke to me about Congo, and it was an option, but my parents said they’d support me either way. As a kid, playing for my country was a dream. It would be such a huge honour.”

First, though, Wan-Bissaka has progress at Palace to occupy his mind. The pupils at Good Shepherd, with whom Palace for Life hopes to work as it extends the project which has seen coaches placed in 35 primary schools, had mobbed their hero at the end of the assembly, the full-back swamped by a pile of adoring fans. Typically, he emerged unscathed: utterly unflappable after all.

 

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