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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 Jan 19 7.52pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steve1984

To his credit, Stirling pointed out that whilst it's true that immigrants tend be younger and more economically active and so help to pay for the care of our ageing population in a few years time they'll be old and we'll need to bring a bunch of teenage Eskimos or some such to pay for them. So where does it all end?

He's right of course.

Which is why I found Theresa's new 10 year plan for the NHS so amusing as it majors on prevention. The idea being that we stop people from getting heart disease and cancer by keeping them healthier.

Call me old fashioned but the only way to really help the NHS (without spending serious money) would be to take all of the unhealthy tossers to a quarry somewhere and shoot them. Otherwise you're just kicking the can, which seems to be Theresa's preferred option for most things.

Edited by steve1984 (09 Jan 2019 5.08pm)

What exactly is the nhs for.
If we had no unhealthy tossers or old gits we wouldnt need about 50% of what we have now.
Define unhealthy?

 

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steve1984 09 Jan 19 7.53pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

that is a shocking thing to say.

Didn't shock me. Moslems don't drink. But a universal wage would mean less incentive for everyone to work not just those who already don't.

 

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steve1984 09 Jan 19 7.54pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What exactly is the nhs for.
If we had no unhealthy tossers or old gits we wouldnt need about 50% of what we have now.
Define unhealthy?

I was being sarcastic.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 Jan 19 8.00pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steve1984

Didn't shock me. Moslems don't drink. But a universal wage would mean less incentive for everyone to work not just those who already don't.

Muslims dont drink.
You beleive all that trollop.
Really?
Behind closed doors many anomolies occur.
Bit like you with no telly
You must have a well sore cock.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 Jan 19 8.07pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steve1984

I was being sarcastic.

Yes of course you were steve1984.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Jan 19 8.15pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I agree with number 1 but remember the asylum process is pretty thorough. It is before successfully completing that process where there is an issue.

But number 2 I have previously opined upon. If you want to move your family you send a man first. Women are in real danger on the journey. It only takes one member of the family to successfully claim asylum for the rest of the nuclear family to be allowed to join that person in the UK.

Regarding 3, immigrants historically are far less demanding on the NHS and on housing than indigenous people but pay more on average in taxes. So it is they that are funding the established population. We need to adjust the system to the demand they bring, they easily pay for themselves. And they are also highly over-represented in NHS employees.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 3.50pm)

Not the illegal entrants who arrive daily. I cannot go into detail for obvious reasons but having just retired after 30 years in the Immigration Service/Border Force unfortunately the vast majority of asylum seekers are not genuine (different to legal immigrants). If you heard their demands upon arrival I feel that you may have a different view of this topic.
Under the UN Convention for Refugees, a refugee should seek sanctuary in the first safe haven, not travel half way round the world.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Jan 19 8.19pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Yup, whilst polygamy is illegal in this country, if the marriages have taken place in countries where it is legal, then they may bring the additional wives here. The limitation is that they can only claim the married couple's allowances for the first wife,but any others are treated as single parents and, as such, are entitled to housing benefit, child benefit et al.

Having worked as a Visa Officer in a country that allows polygamy you are not correct. Under UK Immigration Law a person is only be allowed to bring in 1 wife (legally)

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Jan 19 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

For me to gauge the scale of the problem, do you have statistics on the numbers?

I have never come across such an example. Do you have a source?

This is from the House of Commons Library

Immigration issues
It has been the policy of successive governments to prevent the formation of polygamous
households in the UK. A UK resident cannot sponsor a non-EEA national for permission to
enter or remain in the UK as their spouse if another person has already been granted such
permission, and the marriage has not been dissolved.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 7.32pm)

Is correct, see my previous post

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 09 Jan 19 8.45pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

For me to gauge the scale of the problem, do you have statistics on the numbers?

I have never come across such an example. Do you have a source?

This is from the House of Commons Library

Immigration issues
It has been the policy of successive governments to prevent the formation of polygamous
households in the UK. A UK resident cannot sponsor a non-EEA national for permission to
enter or remain in the UK as their spouse if another person has already been granted such
permission, and the marriage has not been dissolved.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 7.32pm)

Whilst they do try to prevent this happening, if you look at Section 3, they admit that polygamous spouses are admitted, albeit under a different category of asylum - they also state that no records exist of numbers of this.

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A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 09 Jan 19 9.07pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Of course it is their preference and their desire. Does this make it acceptable? Absolutely not, we cannot sustain the numbers that are arriving, it is not just the odd inflatable from France. They are arriving everyday at Gatwick/Heathrow/Dover/Newhaven.
People who say they should be welcomed and have a right to be here think about the following:
1) Who are they? They arrive undocumented so can/do give any personal details
2) If they fear for their lives in Iran (or wherever)why are they predominantly young men who, if married, have left their wives behind?
3) You cannot also complain that the NHS/housing are stretched to the limit.

For those who feel my reply is that of a racist/xenophobe you could not be further from the truth, just that of someone who has been dealing with these people over many years

Well said.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 09 Jan 19 9.25pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

For the people who welcome refugees ,what are your thoughts on people traffickers?

What I can't understand is if a people trafficker is caught it's illegal but the refugee is legal? Surely if one is illegal they both are?

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 09 Jan 19 10.31pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

For the people who welcome refugees ,what are your thoughts on people traffickers?

What I can't understand is if a people trafficker is caught it's illegal but the refugee is legal? Surely if one is illegal they both are?

Perhaps it's the reason we don't work together with other countries and have a common policy which allowed the the problem in Calais to fester.

We should agree to the UN Migration pact the it should solve the problem

 


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