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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 20 Nov 22 10.42am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop


Why stop there? I'm sure there are plenty of people who should be murdered by the state because they irritate you.

Blimey. Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Nov 22 2.15pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Why stop there? I'm sure there are plenty of people who should be murdered by the state because they irritate you.

It’s good enough for the despot countries Corbyn and his ilk hold up as examples.
Personally some of the current left would as well.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Nov 22 4.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I understand Becky's frustration because it's a frustration lots of us are feeling. We don't need to worry about the boats if the incentives aren't there.....there's a reason they aren't staying in France and it isn't the English language.

The Tories have always known which laws they need to change to actually stop these crossings. It's about having the will to do it.

Usually they fob their base off with misdirections like paying the French to limit the flow (ha! good one) and lies about targets and intentions.

In fact it's only now that you have the signed up globalist wing of the Tories in charge that they are being more open about the Tory attitude.

However, this has been their attitude all along. Immigration higher than under Blair has happened under their watch....one million people last year. They have lied to their base for decades and their base just let them get away with it.

They are signed up to the migrant ponzi scheme just as much as the left.

I often hear the argument that Sunak isn't a remainer and voted leave....what they miss out is that Sunak was flown into one of the safest Tory seats.... William Hague's old seat of Richmond....and that was a big leave consistuency....Voting leave made a lot of sense for his political career at the time....He's shown his real colours since.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2022 4.11pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 22 7.18pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I understand Becky's frustration because it's a frustration lots of us are feeling. We don't need to worry about the boats if the incentives aren't there.....there's a reason they aren't staying in France and it isn't the English language.

The Tories have always known which laws they need to change to actually stop these crossings. It's about having the will to do it.

Usually they fob their base off with misdirections like paying the French to limit the flow (ha! good one) and lies about targets and intentions.

In fact it's only now that you have the signed up globalist wing of the Tories in charge that they are being more open about the Tory attitude.

However, this has been their attitude all along. Immigration higher than under Blair has happened under their watch....one million people last year. They have lied to their base for decades and their base just let them get away with it.

They are signed up to the migrant ponzi scheme just as much as the left.

I often hear the argument that Sunak isn't a remainer and voted leave....what they miss out is that Sunak was flown into one of the safest Tory seats.... William Hague's old seat of Richmond....and that was a big leave consistuency....Voting leave made a lot of sense for his political career at the time....He's shown his real colours since.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2022 4.11pm)

As I am quite sure you know, this is quite simply untrue. If it was that easy it would have been done long ago.

You are just trying to build yet another conspiracy theory. One day we will read a post from you that isn't based on one.

The UK is a signatory to the 1951 UN Refugee Convention. This imposes obligations which cannot just be ignored. We could withdraw from the Convention but there would be severe damage to our reputation, and significant consequences. A 2021 petition to do it attracted just 13040 signatures. So not a vote winner! For the Tories or anyone else.

So we are stuck and need to find a better, and much faster, way of determining genuine refugees from economic migrants alongside international ways of stopping the people smugglers.

This ought not be used as a political football. There is general agreement that the situation is out of hand and getting tied up in mud slinging isn't going to help solve it.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Nov 22 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Until everything this guy wants is consigned to the dustbin this country is lost.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 22 9.33pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Until everything this guy wants is consigned to the dustbin this country is lost.

I suppose you have the comfort of knowing that 13039 people agree with you! Not a particularly high proportion is it?

What I want isn't going to be very different to what most people want. The difference is what delivers it and the best way to get there.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suppose you have the comfort of knowing that 13039 people agree with you! Not a particularly high proportion is it?

What I want isn't going to be very different to what most people want. The difference is what delivers it and the best way to get there.

Can you recall the wording or link the petition.
I doubt it said ‘ do you want immigration law to be changed to allow removal of illegal immigrants quicker’?’ yes or no ?
I didn’t remember the press highlighting it bearing in mind it is and was such a big issue.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Can you recall the wording or link the petition.
I doubt it said ‘ do you want immigration law to be changed to allow removal of illegal immigrants quicker’?’ yes or no ?
I didn’t remember the press highlighting it bearing in mind it is and was such a big issue.

Apparently, the number of people who sign a petition you probably haven't heard of represents the number of people who agree with you on something.

Not exactly great logic but we move on.

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

Can you recall the wording or link the petition.
I doubt it said ‘ do you want immigration law to be changed to allow removal of illegal immigrants quicker’?’ yes or no ?
I didn’t remember the press highlighting it bearing in mind it is and was such a big issue.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Apparently, the number of people who sign a petition you probably haven't heard of represents the number of people who agree with you on something.

Not exactly great logic but we move on.

Read it again! I didn't say they would be the only ones who might! Only that having that number could offer some comfort!

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 21 Nov 22 10.26am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Blimey. Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?

OK perhaps a little strong.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 22 Nov 22 7.30am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


Sounds like Sir Keir is changing direction.

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