Please don't keep implying that anyone is somehow accusing the whole male population of Asia of being rapists.

I haven't. All I have said is that people ought not be categorised and described in ways that potentially taint others. Criminals are criminals. What else they might be is irrelevant.

Also, stop trying to highlight the difference between men from pakistan and men born in England from pakistani families when you know that this has little or no bearing on the cultural, religious and other circumstantial causes of the misogyny among those who conspired. You can label them as you wish, as will I.

Oh but it can make a difference and the more time that passes and as the generations become absorbed into British culture so those differences will grow. The misogyny you speak of will diminish with good education and effort with and within the communities. I am looking at the long view, whilst you are only looking at the past view.

Furthermore, why are you questioning the size of this crime? Many groups of men have already been sentenced and the victims are in the hundreds. Why try to underplay it?

I am not. I realise that several prosecutions have been successful and a significant number of men sentenced. No-one really knows how many girls were involved, many of whom were themselves of Asian descent. This has been a much more complicated issue than you seem prepared to acknowledge.

Clearly, you think that having an Asian wife places you on some sort of moral high ground somehow over this matter. It doesn't. It actually makes you biased.

Actually, my wife holds a much harder line on this than me. She is though a devout Christian who has witnessed religious atrocities in her home country. We have interesting discussions!

Now, if you have nothing new to add then I'm done.

Let's see. As I predicted right at the beginning all that ever comes back from the small group of hardliners that populate these threads is the same old very familiar and worn out arguments that contribute nothing to actually solving problems. The identification of a problem is the easy part and I have yet to hear anything about how to actually solve it.