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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Mar 19 9.26am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Fair point.

If you accept that globalisation is inevitable then it certainly takes a lot of stress away.

I sympathise with those who mourn the loss of national identity but I still see this in abundance in big events - royal weddings. The ilymlics, Wimbledon... I could go on

I think the point is I never really understood what our national identity was in the first place anyway - weíre the best in the world at absorbing ideas into our culture, that seems to be what we do best. Iím not sure what you could really define Ďlegacyí Britishness as anyway. It is what it is. Donít waste you life on bitterness

Our sense of humour is evaporating with all this right to be offended and censorship on anything thatís not PC or towards people unable to laugh at themselves. RIP self deprecating humour soon.

Those events are when people from sparsely populated areas like Berkshire etc all congregate in one place. Large parts of London I have little in common with or can relate to. But whatís worse is theyíre no go areas, and thatís not because of ignorance like it used to be. The yoof donít think you belong in the Ďghettoí, by their design. I do think they can have those areas, but unfortunately it branches out, as we will, and do, unless you live in places like Putney and you donít see what the issue is, or donít want to go be precise.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Mar 19 9.42am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Bitter? Talk about understatement.

Imagine going to Japan and saying, 'I never really understood what our national identity was in the first place anyway.'.....Sounds like something Justin Trudeau would say.

Ok, you may not care too much about anglo saxon culture in England but here's a taste of the country's roots.

Here's a video of the country around Churchill's funeral for a picture of what this country should have protected....again, as have other countries.
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Here's a connection to the anglo saxon past.

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A tradition that was maintained for centuries and still is....but the feckless and people confused about the value of their identity will ensure is eventually lost.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 8.48pm)

But there were economic migrants then (most not refugees or asylum seekers), so why not a million every 3 years? Theyíre more important, not who are here and our immediate issues and concerns. Got an issue or need? Shut it.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Mar 19 9.47am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Fair point.

If you accept that globalisation is inevitable then it certainly takes a lot of stress away.

I sympathise with those who mourn the loss of national identity but I still see this in abundance in big events - royal weddings. The ilymlics, Wimbledon... I could go on

I think the point is I never really understood what our national identity was in the first place anyway - weíre the best in the world at absorbing ideas into our culture, that seems to be what we do best. Iím not sure what you could really define Ďlegacyí Britishness as anyway. It is what it is. Donít waste you life on bitterness

Take a look in the borough of Tower Hamlets and towns across England and you will see an obvious difference between British or western culture, unless of course thereís just been the call to prayer on Friday afternoon. You can add in the high street in West Croydon. T0sspot politicians.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 14 Mar 19 9.49am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman


Our sense of humour is evaporating with all this right to be offended and censorship on anything thatís not PC or towards people unable to laugh at themselves.

Isn't that yet another thing that we have imported from America that we could have done without

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 14 Mar 19 9.53am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I never really understood what our national identity was in the first place

Fish & chips and roast beef plus Lyons tea shops all now gone in favour of curry and McDonalds

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 14 Mar 19 10.43am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

But there were economic migrants then (most not refugees or asylum seekers), so why not a million every 3 years? Theyíre more important, not who are here and our immediate issues and concerns. Got an issue or need? Shut it.

It's been political choice. It's very telling, I had Word Up on here telling me that our genes are never lost because they become part of the new mix...or something like that.

God oh mighty.....what a consolation.

If most of the guys who fought in the war knew what their grandchildren would do with the inheritance I wonder if they would have bothered.

Now half of the country are happy to live in a situation where the Germans decide on their regulations and economic policy anyway.

Each nation in the UK needs to ensure that their own nationals are by far the highest proportion within their country......Other countries are doing it and we should have done it decades ago.


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 14 Mar 19 11.18am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Our sense of humour is evaporating with all this right to be offended and censorship on anything thatís not PC or towards people unable to laugh at themselves. RIP self deprecating humour soon.

Those events are when people from sparsely populated areas like Berkshire etc all congregate in one place. Large parts of London I have little in common with or can relate to. But whatís worse is theyíre no go areas, and thatís not because of ignorance like it used to be. The yoof donít think you belong in the Ďghettoí, by their design. I do think they can have those areas, but unfortunately it branches out, as we will, and do, unless you live in places like Putney and you donít see what the issue is, or donít want to go be precise.

Where are these no-go areas? And are you saying itís a no-go due to class divide? Or race divide? Iím trying to understand what you think determines who can and canít go to them.

 

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.34am Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Sure, I agree - I donít think that supports the idea that London is falling though. Arenít all the white middle class supposed to be running away?

Think it's a case of shifting demographics.

London is now the home of professionals and the underclass/sink estate families. The working class in most cases have been out priced.

 


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Elderly people too frightened to travel on buses.

Paranoia or justifiable ?

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.52am Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


Elderly people too frightened to travel on buses.

Paranoia or justifiable ?

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That clip is from 2015

Next you will be saying 'Londoners too frightened to go out due to doodle bugs'

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Mar 19 11.56am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Where are these no-go areas? And are you saying itís a no-go due to class divide? Or race divide? Iím trying to understand what you think determines who can and canít go to them.

Are you naive enough to think you can still walk through all of London and feel safe and be safe? You can even walk through Brick Lane to spend money in a Bangladeshi curry house and some of the moronic Asian youth outside wonít want you there. Itís happened.

I had some young Muslim looking man try to go through the side of my car recently in Croydon opposite Fairfield Halls on the way to a night game instead of slipping in behind my car. Apparently my fault as he decided to vanish up the A232 in another direction towards Shirley after slipping the finger.

There are more serious things, like sitting on a bench in Romford. Romford isnít even inner London. Would anyone here be a sitting duck on a bench in parts of South London? Or knife attacks on train platforms or in the middle of Croydon in daylight as the brother of a murderer bangs his knife on your car window and gets out on bail as a lesson to him.

What youíre probably meaning is there are no no go areas at some times of the day, before the scum have risen for the day. After that not everywhere is safe or feels safe.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 14 Mar 19 12.55pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Are you naive enough to think you can still walk through all of London and feel safe and be safe? You can even walk through Brick Lane to spend money in a Bangladeshi curry house and some of the moronic Asian youth outside wonít want you there. Itís happened.

I had some young Muslim looking man try to go through the side of my car recently in Croydon opposite Fairfield Halls on the way to a night game instead of slipping in behind my car. Apparently my fault as he decided to vanish up the A232 in another direction towards Shirley after slipping the finger.

There are more serious things, like sitting on a bench in Romford. Romford isnít even inner London. Would anyone here be a sitting duck on a bench in parts of South London? Or knife attacks on train platforms or in the middle of Croydon in daylight as the brother of a murderer bangs his knife on your car window and gets out on bail as a lesson to him.

What youíre probably meaning is there are no no go areas at some times of the day, before the scum have risen for the day. After that not everywhere is safe or feels safe.

As Iíve said already in this thread, Iíve lived in London for 20+ years, a lot of that in some fairly ropey areas, so I donít consider myself naive on this topic, no.

A traffic incident is not proof of a no go area, nor are specific incidents of crime - these sort of things have been happening for decades.

I just think itís a disingenuous choice of words - I donít view London as any more or less dangerous as it was when I was growing up, and like I mentioned above, areas like Peckham and Brixton are infinitely safer now than they were 10 years ago.

Iím sure there are parts of every major city in the world where it doesnít always feel safe - I was in Berlin last year and walking around there st night feels exactly the same as it would in London.


 

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