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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 21 Mar 19 7.51pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Democracy originally started in Athens when the public gathered listened to whoever wanted to speak and then voted. I kinda like your idea not sure it is practical but the problem with the current lot is most know they are safe. Shave a monkey pin a rosette on it etc.

I like the US system voters are more demanding "what have you done for me lately?" Apart from the very committed most people will vote for the best person so on election day with multiple elections happening many will vote for both parties from President down to dog catcher depending on how they feel about that politician.

If a few more MPs in safe seats felt under threat from the voters they might put a shift in and listen to their constituents.

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Yes, accountability is the issue. Politics seems to be a matter of who you are rather than what you think or how capable you are so there are some people who will get elected in perpetuity regardless of how disastrous their performance. Rather like some players who never get dropped.

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 21 Mar 19 9.05pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

We certainly don't need 650 MPs.

Let it be known that we are going cut 25% of their jobs in the true spirit of austerity then watch their commitment to the public increase.

While we're doing that we can reduce their expense accounts, shut down their subsidised bars and restaurants,stop their annual higher than inflation pay increases they give themselves.

In my view, they do not earn or deserve all the perks funded by the taxpayer.

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 21 Mar 19 9.29pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

We certainly don't need 650 MPs.

Let it be known that we are going cut 25% of their jobs in the true spirit of austerity then watch their commitment to the public increase.

While we're doing that we can reduce their expense accounts, shut down their subsidised bars and restaurants,stop their annual higher than inflation pay increases they give themselves.

In my view, they do not earn or deserve all the perks funded by the taxpayer.

They haven't set their own pay increases since 2011 - it is now done by an Independent committee set up for that purpose.

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 21 Mar 19 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by becky

They haven't set their own pay increases since 2011 - it is now done by an Independent committee set up for that purpose.

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MPs are a privileged group who achieved pay rises whilst everyone else in the public sector took pay cuts. It was usual to impose annual 1% uplifts on public servants after the initial 2/3 year pay freeze but significant increased year on year pension contributions meant public servants effectively had pay cuts. The "independent committee" was set up to circumvent pay constraint for MPs and achieved that.

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Mar 19 9.54pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

i believe the Croydon branch of Greggs the bakers is looking for staff.

send our parliamentarians there. Loadsa bread.

 


34,300 reasons to love Selhurst in 2021

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Mar 19 9.59pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

One of the few possible jobs when you can be an expert in f*** all.
Minister of Sport (Never played or teached)
Minister of Fisheries ( Never been on the Woolwich Ferry let alone a Trawler)
Minister of Culture (Don't play an Instrument or have written a play Etc)
Minister for Small Business & Enterprise (Never ran so much as a f***ing Whelk stall)
The list is endless.
The 650 MPs should be culled to 300 & everyone of them should have some background in a relevant business.
You wouldn't get through the door at Roll's Royce if you at least didn't have experience in any of their fields that includes the person who sweeps the floor.

 


Pro USA & Israel

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 21 Mar 19 10.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

One of the few possible jobs when you can be an expert in f*** all.
Minister of Sport (Never played or teached)
Minister of Fisheries ( Never been on the Woolwich Ferry let alone a Trawler)
Minister of Culture (Don't play an Instrument or have written a play Etc)
Minister for Small Business & Enterprise (Never ran so much as a f***ing Whelk stall)
The list is endless.
The 650 MPs should be culled to 300 & everyone of them should have some background in a relevant business.
You wouldn't get through the door at Roll's Royce if you at least didn't have experience in any of their fields that includes the person who sweeps the floor.

There's a strong argument that the current system is definitely too large and not fit for this century.

I'd also agree that the parliament is most definitely not a repository for our brightest minds and not a great example of meritocracy.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 21 Mar 19 11.02pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

Time for a modern day Cromwell to march his troops into Parliament:

'It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go! '

You know he never said that

So who would be the Lord Protector now then? There are a few aspirants

 

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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 21 Mar 19 11.52pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

You know he never said that

So who would be the Lord Protector now then? There are a few aspirants

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Thomas Salmon (historian) (b1679) used the quote of his speech, whoremaster etc.

The links and the historian who lived a lot closer in time than either of us would beg to differ about whether he made the speech.

As to who would be the Lord Protector well I would of course

Edited by johnno42000 (21 Mar 2019 11.54pm)

 


'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 23 Mar 19 8.36am Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

One of the few possible jobs when you can be an expert in f*** all.
Minister of Sport (Never played or teached)
Minister of Fisheries ( Never been on the Woolwich Ferry let alone a Trawler)
Minister of Culture (Don't play an Instrument or have written a play Etc)
Minister for Small Business & Enterprise (Never ran so much as a f***ing Whelk stall)
The list is endless.
The 650 MPs should be culled to 300 & everyone of them should have some background in a relevant business.
You wouldn't get through the door at Roll's Royce if you at least didn't have experience in any of their fields that includes the person who sweeps the floor.

Absolutely this.

The majority of these morons voted to take 'no deal' off the table, showing they've never even haggled over the price of a fez in a Moroccan market, let alone be fit to negotiate an international treaty.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 23 Mar 19 9.03am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'd also agree that the parliament is most definitely not a repository for our brightest minds and not a great example of meritocracy.

It's hardly surprising as the remuneration isn't high enough to attract the brightest minds.

An MP earns 77,000 which to put in perspective is less than I earn and I don't have to spend my life up and down motorways to London working unsociable hours in the process

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 23 Mar 19 9.48am Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It's hardly surprising as the remuneration isn't high enough to attract the brightest minds.

An MP earns 77,000 which to put in perspective is less than I earn and I don't have to spend my life up and down motorways to London working unsociable hours in the process

Neither do they to be fair.

They all coin hundreds of thousands in expenses, have second homes in the big smoke and make money out of lobbies, sponsors and other business interests.

They all pocket vast sums, think of the (not to be sniffed at!) salary as the trail of grain that leads to the trough.

Edited by ChrisGC (23 Mar 2019 9.49am)

 

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