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View matthau's Profile matthau Flag South Croydon 11 Jul 19 11.38am Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Originally posted by stevo

Loved him as a player but seriously what is he bringing in his new role??

I think it was Becky on another thread made a good point

Roy has a year left. If we use all money we have now and tie new players down to big contracts, we値l have nothing for new manager to use. We are not a big club and once spending money is all used one summer, we have to miss a window so to get back on track

We値l prob go for clyne as rb is essential. But we値l also prob just loan a striker again

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Jul 19 12.06pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by matthau

I think it was Becky on another thread made a good point

Roy has a year left. If we use all money we have now and tie new players down to big contracts, we値l have nothing for new manager to use. We are not a big club and once spending money is all used one summer, we have to miss a window so to get back on track

We値l prob go for clyne as rb is essential. But we値l also prob just loan a striker again

Which is what I was saying regarding the spend/conserve cycle. But apparently some fans don稚 礎uy into that.

Loads of clubs have to do it. Unfortunately we池e hamstrung more often because of our wage bill trying to stay in this league. It is a big achievement but it isn稚 building a solid foundation.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Jul 19 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Saints are serial regulation battlers though, doesn't seem to do them much good !

It痴 been discussed on HOL that you use a combination of methods. Southampton have done that one and we致e spent loads on wages and a couple of players we had no idea where else to buy someone.

 


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View Isley46's Profile Isley46 Flag Sanderstead 11 Jul 19 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Isley46 Add Isley46 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think Southampton are a better example - they致e had the likes of Mane, Lovren, Van Dijk and Clyne come and go over the last few years, making a massive profit on each, and getting at least 12 months of high level performance out of them. They致e also had the likes of Chambers and Lallana move on from their academy.

If I知 a young domestic/overseas player trying to make it to the PL now, i壇 be looking at Saints as an ideal first club to secure playing time and development within the Prem, safe in the knowledge that if you do kick on and generate interest from higher up the table, they are willing to listen to it. We need to position ourselves the same way.


The Academy facilities at Southampton are probably the best in the country and I believe Southampton may also run a 'Shadow' academy in London.
Until the Palace Academy is upgraded (which I think is a work in progress) Palace will continue to fail to attract the young 'gems'. The competition in London from Cobham, Hale End and even Motspur Park is too great an attraction for young players and their parents who normally also have to 'endure' the numerous training sessions each week. In the Academy facilities league, Beckenham is presently below Charlton and probably on a level with Millwall. Yes we have a great catchment area but at present we don't have the infrastructure to exploit it. Maybe after a few more years in the Premiership this will change.

 

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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 11 Jul 19 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by aashman12

Really piss poor recruitment, list our best xi subs and see how poor that recruitment is, we're 2-3 players away from a very good prem team that we know can go toe to toe with anyone in the league.


The first XI is decent but our squad depth remains atrocious, as demonstrated by our huge dips in form whenever we suffer injuries. Furthermore, we are hugely reliant on a single player and rarely win without him.

Our strikeforce is utterly laughable, none of them could score in a brothel and I've known coma patients to spend less time in a hospital bed than Connor Wickham, who we have mysteriously awarded a new contract to.

 


We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Jul 19 1.32pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Isley46

The Academy facilities at Southampton are probably the best in the country and I believe Southampton may also run a 'Shadow' academy in London.
Until the Palace Academy is upgraded (which I think is a work in progress) Palace will continue to fail to attract the young 'gems'. The competition in London from Cobham, Hale End and even Motspur Park is too great an attraction for young players and their parents who normally also have to 'endure' the numerous training sessions each week. In the Academy facilities league, Beckenham is presently below Charlton and probably on a level with Millwall. Yes we have a great catchment area but at present we don't have the infrastructure to exploit it. Maybe after a few more years in the Premiership this will change.

Well sure, but none of Mane, Lovren, Van Dijk or Clyne had anything to do with the academy (Wanyama is the other I missed off that list).

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Jul 19 1.35pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Tyrelli

The Zaha situation is simply down to money, he has a long contract, Arsenal are not matching our valuation (to the point of a incredibly meagre offer, designed only to unsettle the player) if they matched our valuation then I知 sure no one would stand in Zaha way and let him leave.

You could argue that setting an unreasonable valuation that you know no one will meet is the same as standing in his way.

 

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View DutchEagleJohan's Profile DutchEagleJohan Flag Vlissingen, Netherlands 11 Jul 19 1.49pm Send a Private Message to DutchEagleJohan Add DutchEagleJohan as a friend

I wonder how important facilities really are. Not saying they do not matter, but really what counts is a culture in a club where youth players will get a chance and where there is believe they can make the first team. I think that attitude is lacking in nearly the whole PL including ourselves. Money makes it easy to 'go safe" where surely as far as squad players are concerned we should be looking at academy players.

That is apart from something that I feel is important but does not seem to get mentioned much. The feel of a youth player coming through in terms of connecting with the crowd. If Wilf goes, there are no players left at all in our starting line up that have their roots in the club.


Originally posted by Isley46

The Academy facilities at Southampton are probably the best in the country and I believe Southampton may also run a 'Shadow' academy in London.
Until the Palace Academy is upgraded (which I think is a work in progress) Palace will continue to fail to attract the young 'gems'. The competition in London from Cobham, Hale End and even Motspur Park is too great an attraction for young players and their parents who normally also have to 'endure' the numerous training sessions each week. In the Academy facilities league, Beckenham is presently below Charlton and probably on a level with Millwall. Yes we have a great catchment area but at present we don't have the infrastructure to exploit it. Maybe after a few more years in the Premiership this will change.


 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 11 Jul 19 1.54pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You could argue that setting an unreasonable valuation that you know no one will meet is the same as standing in his way.

Perhaps you could elaborate and explain what is unreasonable about a 」70,」80 or even 」100m valuation of Wilf? He is generally acknowledged as an irreplaceable player in that he does things other players simply can稚 do. The top teams know this but most are not prepared to risk his lack of consistency. When you see what Suarez, Coutinho, Mahrez and Richarlison sold for then Wilf痴 valuation is not wildly out by any means.

I had an argument with an Arsenal fan the other night who was saying he is only worth 」40m. I said, try and find a player that can do what Wilf does and go buy him for 」40m because guess what, they ain稚 out there.

 

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View Isley46's Profile Isley46 Flag Sanderstead 11 Jul 19 3.08pm Send a Private Message to Isley46 Add Isley46 as a friend

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

I wonder how important facilities really are. Not saying they do not matter, but really what counts is a culture in a club where youth players will get a chance and where there is believe they can make the first team. I think that attitude is lacking in nearly the whole PL including ourselves. Money makes it easy to 'go safe" where surely as far as squad players are concerned we should be looking at academy players.

I think a history of promotion to the first team whilst being a good thing is not necessarily what is on the mind of the kid entering the Academy system.

Most will jump at the first offer of a schoolboy contract this could be at the age of 9 and be thankful of the offer (but may regret it later!)
If the child is a 組em and has the interest of a few clubs then the kid and the parents may get to sample what facilities and training are on offer from various clubs (without committing to more than the 8 week trial). This will make a huge difference. Once you then factor what some clubs will provide - travel assistance (from School and back home after training), paid for trips away on tour, free food at training, training kits and free boots for various playing surfaces Day release from school - the facilities start to make a big influence on decisions to commit to sign. Signing is a big commitment not only for the kid but for the family. The contract is greatly in the favour of the club until the kid reaches 全cholarship level. With no guarantee of ever being offered a Scholarship most would choose to spend the formative years surrounded by fantastic facilities.

At the moment, I would guess that unless Palace can pick up these kids at 9 or 10 then most of our Academy players would have already attended ID games or trials at Chelsea, Arsenal, Fulham and not been taken on.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Jul 19 4.07pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Perhaps you could elaborate and explain what is unreasonable about a 」70,」80 or even 」100m valuation of Wilf? He is generally acknowledged as an irreplaceable player in that he does things other players simply can稚 do. The top teams know this but most are not prepared to risk his lack of consistency. When you see what Suarez, Coutinho, Mahrez and Richarlison sold for then Wilf痴 valuation is not wildly out by any means.

I had an argument with an Arsenal fan the other night who was saying he is only worth 」40m. I said, try and find a player that can do what Wilf does and go buy him for 」40m because guess what, they ain稚 out there.

I think 」60-70m is reasonable, but 」100m certainly not.

Suarez was sold for 」65m and he was considerably better than Zaha - I love Wilf but he痴 not even in the same league.

Richarlison had just turned 20 and went for 」50m - I think Zaha is a better player, don稚 get me wrong, but if I could get two 」50m 20 year olds of Richalison痴 potential, or one 26 year old Zaha, I know which I would pick.

Mahrez went for 」60m having been the best player for the league winners the year before - 17 goals and 11 assists; Wilf has never put up numbers close to that.

Coutinho they massively overpaid, but still a higher pedrigeee and better age than Wilf.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Sittingbourne 11 Jul 19 4.13pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think 」60-70m is reasonable, but 」100m certainly not.

Suarez was sold for 」65m and he was considerably better than Zaha - I love Wilf but he痴 not even in the same league.

Richarlison had just turned 20 and went for 」50m - I think Zaha is a better player, don稚 get me wrong, but if I could get two 」50m 20 year olds of Richalison痴 potential, or one 26 year old Zaha, I know which I would pick.

Mahrez went for 」60m having been the best player for the league winners the year before - 17 goals and 11 assists; Wilf has never put up numbers close to that.

Coutinho they massively overpaid, but still a higher pedrigeee and better age than Wilf.

I think comparative prices are void.

It does not matter how much other players are going or have gone for, or how much another club prices Wilf at.

As far as we're concerned, Wilf may just be worth up to 」100 million for us and if noone is going to match that then it makes no business sense whatsoever to sell him.

It's unfortunate for Wilf, I wouldn't begrudge him a move to a Champions League club (as much as I love him) and I think CPFC are taking the same stance - if the right offer is made he can go. Just looks quite unlikely to happen.

 

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