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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 11 Jul 19 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think comparative prices are void.

It does not matter how much other players are going or have gone for, or how much another club prices Wilf at.

As far as we're concerned, Wilf may just be worth up to £100 million for us and if noone is going to match that then it makes no business sense whatsoever to sell him.

It's unfortunate for Wilf, I wouldn't begrudge him a move to a Champions League club (as much as I love him) and I think CPFC are taking the same stance - if the right offer is made he can go. Just looks quite unlikely to happen.

Agree 100%

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Jul 19 5.30pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Agree 100%

Thatís strange given you introduced the comparisons, but fair enough.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Jul 19 5.38pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think comparative prices are void.

It does not matter how much other players are going or have gone for, or how much another club prices Wilf at.

As far as we're concerned, Wilf may just be worth up to £100 million for us and if noone is going to match that then it makes no business sense whatsoever to sell him.

It's unfortunate for Wilf, I wouldn't begrudge him a move to a Champions League club (as much as I love him) and I think CPFC are taking the same stance - if the right offer is made he can go. Just looks quite unlikely to happen.

I donít think theyíre void, particularly when making a valuation - thatís typically how valuations of anything work; you look at comprable transactions.

Having said that, their are massive outliers when it comes to transfer fees, so I would agree that comparing one v one doesnít hold much weight - mapping out a market with multiple conparables is certainly not void though.

I accept the logic that Wilf is worth more to us than what his Ďmarket worthí might be - the point Iím making is that if we are not perceived to be reasonable in these negotiations by clubs, players, agents, it affects how we are perceived in these circles and can play a part in players chosing whether to join us in the future, or whether to sign longer contracts with us etc etc.

Taking a hypothetical; if Iím Max Meyer, and have a big breakthrough year next year, kicking on to show the potential he did when he first burst onto the scene at Schalke... Palace sit him down in January to try and tie him to a new long term deal.. heís going to look at how Wilf was treated and how reasonable we were in allowing him to move upwards when making that decision.

Likewise, if Iím Ryan Sessengon, and palace are selling me a project to come and get PL first team football for a few years with the.. Iím going to look at how easily Zaha was able to move on...

The reputation we give ourselves is hugely important in who we recruit and retain in the future.

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 11 Jul 19 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think £60-70m is reasonable, but £100m certainly not.

Suarez was sold for £65m and he was considerably better than Zaha - I love Wilf but heís not even in the same league.

Richarlison had just turned 20 and went for £50m - I think Zaha is a better player, donít get me wrong, but if I could get two £50m 20 year olds of Richalisonís potential, or one 26 year old Zaha, I know which I would pick.

Mahrez went for £60m having been the best player for the league winners the year before - 17 goals and 11 assists; Wilf has never put up numbers close to that.

Coutinho they massively overpaid, but still a higher pedrigeee and better age than Wilf.


Very good post and all true.
Richarlison is in the Brazil team. Zaha plays for the Ivory Coast as he wasnít considered good enough for England. If heíd chosen England I think he would possibly be on the bench now. Thatís not 100 million pounds worth of player. Good player, very good for us, but not rated enough outside of the rose tinted SE25 glasses it would seem.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Sittingbourne 11 Jul 19 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I donít think theyíre void, particularly when making a valuation - thatís typically how valuations of anything work; you look at comprable transactions.

Having said that, their are massive outliers when it comes to transfer fees, so I would agree that comparing one v one doesnít hold much weight - mapping out a market with multiple conparables is certainly not void though.

I accept the logic that Wilf is worth more to us than what his Ďmarket worthí might be - the point Iím making is that if we are not perceived to be reasonable in these negotiations by clubs, players, agents, it affects how we are perceived in these circles and can play a part in players chosing whether to join us in the future, or whether to sign longer contracts with us etc etc.

Taking a hypothetical; if Iím Max Meyer, and have a big breakthrough year next year, kicking on to show the potential he did when he first burst onto the scene at Schalke... Palace sit him down in January to try and tie him to a new long term deal.. heís going to look at how Wilf was treated and how reasonable we were in allowing him to move upwards when making that decision.

Likewise, if Iím Ryan Sessengon, and palace are selling me a project to come and get PL first team football for a few years with the.. Iím going to look at how easily Zaha was able to move on...

The reputation we give ourselves is hugely important in who we recruit and retain in the future.

I cannot agree whatsoever with what you've said in bold.

The value of a commodity is always relative, it's supply and demand that dictates it's value, not comparable transactions. Potatoes and livestock are not sold for the same price worldwide for instance. The supply of players that can single handedly make a difference to US staying in the premier league is extremely limited comparative to a winger that can add a bit of flair to an established 'top level' side, which is the bracket Wilf falls in to (unfortunately for him). Our demand for the aforementioned is far higher than the latter situation as we stand to potentially lose far more from Wilf's sale than a top side potentially would gain from his purchase.

Therefore the value of Wilf to us as a team and business is far higher then it is to a top six side. Better players may be sold/bought for lesser monies but even if we were able to successfully import one with the money for Wilf, they may not provide to us what we know he probably will.

It's no secret we flirt with relegation every year and that he is by far our outstanding player; I always struggle to see how we will even get into the final third without him sometimes and this was evidenced by our losing run in his absence. To replace Wilf we would probably need the equivalent of two but more possibly three quality players. AWB, Perez and Mings cost a combined £100 million and I would be pulling my hair out if we spent that sort of money on the three of them to replace Wilf.

I do however very much agree with your latter statement. Not something I have really considered and could potentially cause massive problems for us. Having said that though, we have no track record whatsoever of buying young up and coming players and then selling them on.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 11 Jul 19 10.01pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Thatís strange given you introduced the comparisons, but fair enough. [/quote

I agreed with the second part of his post 100% but Iím so sorry that I didnít explain it like that. I guess you are just another have to moan about everything poster that seem to infiltrate this board.

 

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View StrangerThing's Profile StrangerThing Flag Brisbane 12 Jul 19 10.13am Send a Private Message to StrangerThing Add StrangerThing as a friend

I think the transfer team did an amazing job last summer. Getting Meyer, Kouyate and Guiata in for about 11m and having them all then play a part in the season was great business. It also shows just how tough the restrictions are on Dougies team. I believe these restrictions are what leaves us always shopping late, as frustrating as that is.

 

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View black eagle.'s Profile black eagle. Flag south croydon. 12 Jul 19 11.20am Send a Private Message to black eagle. Add black eagle. as a friend

Can't believe when AWB was sold there was no replacement lined up.

And as I type this we still have no replacement.

I'm not moaning honest.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Jul 19 11.30am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Isley46

The Academy facilities at Southampton are probably the best in the country and I believe Southampton may also run a 'Shadow' academy in London.
Until the Palace Academy is upgraded (which I think is a work in progress) Palace will continue to fail to attract the young 'gems'. The competition in London from Cobham, Hale End and even Motspur Park is too great an attraction for young players and their parents who normally also have to 'endure' the numerous training sessions each week. In the Academy facilities league, Beckenham is presently below Charlton and probably on a level with Millwall. Yes we have a great catchment area but at present we don't have the infrastructure to exploit it. Maybe after a few more years in the Premiership this will change.

Several years ago I enrolled my son on a Saturday morning football school being held at a school in Horsham, this was run by coaches from the Southampton Academy

 

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View Fatherken's Profile Fatherken Flag 12 Jul 19 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Fatherken Add Fatherken as a friend

our transfer team also brought in Jach , Sorloth ,and the other block plus two goalkeepers which we have already got rid off DF scouting team is not very good

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 12 Jul 19 12.19pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I cannot agree whatsoever with what you've said in bold.

The value of a commodity is always relative, it's supply and demand that dictates it's value, not comparable transactions. Potatoes and livestock are not sold for the same price worldwide for instance. The supply of players that can single handedly make a difference to US staying in the premier league is extremely limited comparative to a winger that can add a bit of flair to an established 'top level' side, which is the bracket Wilf falls in to (unfortunately for him). Our demand for the aforementioned is far higher than the latter situation as we stand to potentially lose far more from Wilf's sale than a top side potentially would gain from his purchase.

Therefore the value of Wilf to us as a team and business is far higher then it is to a top six side. Better players may be sold/bought for lesser monies but even if we were able to successfully import one with the money for Wilf, they may not provide to us what we know he probably will.

It's no secret we flirt with relegation every year and that he is by far our outstanding player; I always struggle to see how we will even get into the final third without him sometimes and this was evidenced by our losing run in his absence. To replace Wilf we would probably need the equivalent of two but more possibly three quality players. AWB, Perez and Mings cost a combined £100 million and I would be pulling my hair out if we spent that sort of money on the three of them to replace Wilf.

I do however very much agree with your latter statement. Not something I have really considered and could potentially cause massive problems for us. Having said that though, we have no track record whatsoever of buying young up and coming players and then selling them on.

Relative to similar things that have sold surely... which are comparables.

Potatoes arenít sold at the same price worldwide, but if you are selling them you would still look at what others in your local market are charging and ensure you are priced competitively.

Again, I understand the logic that Wilf is worth more to us than his Ďmarket valueí - my point is, if we hold out for our valuation of Wilf, rather than a reasonable market value, it will lead to the sort of problems around recruitment/retention that I mentioned above.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Jul 19 1.32pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by black eagle.

Can't believe when AWB was sold there was no replacement lined up.

And as I type this we still have no replacement.

I'm not moaning honest.

You just know we are thinking Ward and Kelly will be fine. A bit like when we only had Souare at LB and he was in a car crash. With Ward on the right and PVA on the left our defence is looking considerably poorer than it was. We need a couple of defenders, at least, but will probably make do with what we've got. Perhaps Sam Woods can step up? Clutching at straws: he seems keen and versatile.

 


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