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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Mar 20 5.38pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

I find myself slightly amazed to find Palace with the points total that we have and the middle of March yet to arrive.

I have witnessed some groggy performance by Palace this season and haven't always enjoyed watching us play. I can't even say that we have been outstanding in many of the games we have won.

However, on the train up to the match yesterday, I found myself stoutly defending Roy (and to an extent Parish) in the face of criticism from a mate. Whilst there was an element of devil's advocate in my argument ( I have at previous times expressed the same concerns as my mate), I pointed out that with 2 months of the season to go our place in the top flight is all but assured ( and this was before yesterday's victory) - some achievement! This has never happened in the 7 seasons we have been in the Prem.

My mate was trotting out the much aired views that Hodgson is unadventurous, doesn't give younger players a chance, is poor in the transfer market, and has too many favourites whose names are automatically penned into the starting line-up.

Countering this I asked him whether he would prefer that Palace were playing expansive football like that of Brighton (and hovering over the relegation zone), what youngsters did he have in mind ( given the dire record of our Under 23s), what about our summer signings Cahill and McCarthy who are proving increasingly valuable team members, and surely a settled team is no bad thing.

Whatever Roy's shortcomings, in my books, his achievement is remarkable.


4-0 Spurs, 0-2 Man.C, 0-2 Leicester, 2-0 Chelsea, 0-2 Southampton, 3-1 Everton.

These are the only games where we lost by more then one goal.

1-2 Liverpool, 2-2 Arsenal away, 2-2 Man.C away.

These are the the other games where we let in more then one goal.

Seven times we scored twice in one game, we have not yet scored more.

All the other games involved one goal each or one to the other, apart from two that finished 0-0.

Edited by Tickled pink (08 Mar 2020 5.42pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Mar 20 7.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

4-0 Spurs, 0-2 Man.C, 0-2 Leicester, 2-0 Chelsea, 0-2 Southampton, 3-1 Everton.

These are the only games where we lost by more then one goal.

1-2 Liverpool, 2-2 Arsenal away, 2-2 Man.C away.

These are the the other games where we let in more then one goal.

Seven times we scored twice in one game, we have not yet scored more.

All the other games involved one goal each or one to the other, apart from two that finished 0-0.

Edited by Tickled pink (08 Mar 2020 5.42pm)

Danny Murphy on motd last night said he told his squad at Fulham he wanted them to aim for zero goal difference or better.

The downsides to this are that it’s a tough watch, games can be decided, predicted early on or written off and it could prove difficult to sign attacking or flair players. Look at Benteke and zaha. Both depreciated in value. Many will say that’s a cost to staying in the Prem and I see the viewpoint and understand that there are costs and conflicting issues like in many businesses, but how long can that football strategy that can depreciate the club’s highest value players give the club the financial edge our size of club needs? AWB is a one off, unless our transfer profit is going to come from progressing defensively minded players.

The irony isn’t lost on me of Parish saying before hiring FDB ‘’we must move away from counting on the lucky bounce of the ball as we’ve done in our history and create those definite chances ourselves because that is more....’’ sustainable long term or something.

Now I fully understand why Roy has been hired on a business decision but it isn’t issue free but really the point is that even roy said yesterday after the Watford win that we could easily be 9 points worse off. It could actually be even more if you took away Guaita’s excellent form and us not winning the last 3 games that could’ve been 4 or 5 points. But that’s where I’ll make my main criticism. We’ve forced these 9 points more by being less passive than we’ve been for 6 months. I expect someone to say ive contradicted myself regarding the last 3 wins but I’m saying that our chances of that happening have a higher probability than watching whoever knock it about like brazil while we watch and rely on blocks or Guaita.

Finally there isn’t much synergy within the higher levels of the club. I have stressed issues I think have come about because of whichever of the 3 (Roy, Freedman, Parish). Meyer the German Messi I think Parish signed and had him pose for photos on the rooftop in the hope he’d be that flair player we coined it in with.

Roy is fine regarding our percentage chances of surviving each season but the issues I’ve raised are things I hope those at the top are discussing between themselves. We need some good transfer windows.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Mar 2020 11.57pm)

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Danny Murphy on motd last night said he told his squad at Fulham he wanted them to aim for zero goal difference or better.

The downsides to this are that it’s a tough watch, games can be decided, predicted early on or written off and it could prove difficult to sign attacking or flair players. Look at Benteke and zaha. Both depreciated in value. Many will say that’s a benefit to staying in the Prem and I see the viewpoint and understand that there are costs and conflicting issues like in many businesses, but how long can that football strategy that can depreciate the club’s highest value players give the club the financial edge our size of club needs? AWB is a one off, unless our transfer profit is going to come from progressing defensively minded players.

The irony isn’t lost on me of Parish saying before hiring FDB ‘’we must move away from counting on the lucky bounce of the ball as we’ve done in our history and create those definite chances ourselves because that is more....’’ sustainable long term or something.

Now I fully understand why Roy has been hired on a business decision but it isn’t issue free but really the point is that even roy said yesterday after the Watford win that we could easily be 9 points worse off. It could actually be even more if you took away Guaita’s excellent form and us not winning the last 3 games that could’ve been 4 or 5 points. But that’s where I’ll make my main criticism. We’ve forced these 9 points more by being less passive than we’ve been for 6 months. I expect someone to say ive contradicted myself regarding the last 3 wins but I’m saying that our chances of that happening have a higher probability than watching whoever knock it about like brazil while we watch and rely on blocks or Guaita.

Finally there isn’t much synergy within the higher levels of the club. I have stressed issues I think have come about because of whichever of the 3 (Roy, Freedman, Parish). Meyer the German Messi I think Parish signed and had him pose for photos on the rooftop in the hope he’d be that flair player we coined it in with.

Roy is fine regarding our percentage chances of surviving each season but the issues I’ve raised are things I hope those at the top are discussing between themselves. We need some good transfer windows.

My only comment to this viewpoint would be that practically every team would be able to make the same analysis. They will be able to site games where the points were fortuitous . The reality is is Roy has been able to get his players to get the points rather than lose them which would indicate that he and his team are performing.COYP

 

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The point about goal difference is interesting. Yes it does indicate a somewhat negative mindset but, if you look at the current table, the idea that 0 goal difference = safety is borne out. Just about everyone is more or less in the position they should be, only Brighton ought to be significantly higher as their -8 GD would place them between us and Everton. Last season 0 GD would have got you to about 10th place.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 09 Mar 20 12.56pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

I think some are getting ahead of themselves about Roy doing a remarkable job.

He's done ok. He's won the last 3 games 1-0. Going into them we would have expected to win the two home games and Brighton are on terrible form.

I think Roy pays too much attention to goal difference. We've dropped a lot of points where we havent attacked teams at 1-0 down.


Will be interesting to see if he tries to push us up the table now that we are safe, or will he keep playing 3 holding midfielders?

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 09 Mar 20 1.29pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I think some are getting ahead of themselves about Roy doing a remarkable job.

He's done ok. He's won the last 3 games 1-0. Going into them we would have expected to win the two home games and Brighton are on terrible form.

I think Roy pays too much attention to goal difference. We've dropped a lot of points where we havent attacked teams at 1-0 down.


Will be interesting to see if he tries to push us up the table now that we are safe, or will he keep playing 3 holding midfielders?

I think some people make themselves look foolish when they can't recognise the job that Hodgson is doing, but I keep that to myself.

If you were at the games you will have seen a number of missed chances and excellent saves from the opposing goalkeepers - not sure what the manager can do about that.

Given that each place in the league is worth more money ( I think £2m ) why would you expect him to change tactics that have already got us to mid table ? I don't think Steve Parish would endorse experimenting while there are points and prize money at stake, interesting though that might be.

 


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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 09 Mar 20 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Danny Murphy on motd last night said he told his squad at Fulham he wanted them to aim for zero goal difference or better.

The downsides to this are that it’s a tough watch, games can be decided, predicted early on or written off and it could prove difficult to sign attacking or flair players. Look at Benteke and zaha. Both depreciated in value. Many will say that’s a cost to staying in the Prem and I see the viewpoint and understand that there are costs and conflicting issues like in many businesses, but how long can that football strategy that can depreciate the club’s highest value players give the club the financial edge our size of club needs? AWB is a one off, unless our transfer profit is going to come from progressing defensively minded players.

The irony isn’t lost on me of Parish saying before hiring FDB ‘’we must move away from counting on the lucky bounce of the ball as we’ve done in our history and create those definite chances ourselves because that is more....’’ sustainable long term or something.

Now I fully understand why Roy has been hired on a business decision but it isn’t issue free but really the point is that even roy said yesterday after the Watford win that we could easily be 9 points worse off. It could actually be even more if you took away Guaita’s excellent form and us not winning the last 3 games that could’ve been 4 or 5 points. But that’s where I’ll make my main criticism. We’ve forced these 9 points more by being less passive than we’ve been for 6 months. I expect someone to say ive contradicted myself regarding the last 3 wins but I’m saying that our chances of that happening have a higher probability than watching whoever knock it about like brazil while we watch and rely on blocks or Guaita.

Finally there isn’t much synergy within the higher levels of the club. I have stressed issues I think have come about because of whichever of the 3 (Roy, Freedman, Parish). Meyer the German Messi I think Parish signed and had him pose for photos on the rooftop in the hope he’d be that flair player we coined it in with.

Roy is fine regarding our percentage chances of surviving each season but the issues I’ve raised are things I hope those at the top are discussing between themselves. We need some good transfer windows.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Mar 2020 11.57pm)

How has the value of Benteke and Zaha gone down, because of Roy. Benteke is getting on to 30, so his value will fall, the value of Zaha is what we put on him, not what the market thinks, as nobody has bid anywhere near our value.
We have had some very good transfer windows, bar January with Ayew, Guaita, Cahill, McCarthy and Kouyate picked up for total £15m, all now regulars in the team that have maintained our Premier status.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 09 Mar 20 2.31pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I think some people make themselves look foolish when they can't recognise the job that Hodgson is doing, but I keep that to myself.

If you were at the games you will have seen a number of missed chances and excellent saves from the opposing goalkeepers - not sure what the manager can do about that.

Sorry Neillo.... you're just a better palace fan than I am.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Mar 20 2.33pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by dg1937

The point about goal difference is interesting. Yes it does indicate a somewhat negative mindset but, if you look at the current table, the idea that 0 goal difference = safety is borne out. Just about everyone is more or less in the position they should be, only Brighton ought to be significantly higher as their -8 GD would place them between us and Everton. Last season 0 GD would have got you to about 10th place.

Apropos 'Goal difference', only 1 team has been relegated from the PL on Goal Difference, namely Bolton who went down on 40 points in season 1997-98.Everton survived on 40 points.We were bottom that season on 33 pts.

Edited by Willo (09 Mar 2020 2.34pm)

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

I think some are getting ahead of themselves about Roy doing a remarkable job.

He's done ok. He's won the last 3 games 1-0. Going into them we would have expected to win the two home games and Brighton are on terrible form.

I think Roy pays too much attention to goal difference. We've dropped a lot of points where we havent attacked teams at 1-0 down.


Will be interesting to see if he tries to push us up the table now that we are safe, or will he keep playing 3 holding midfielders?

I don't particularly care about pushing up the table. I want to give some youngsters some game time in preparation for next season.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 09 Mar 20 3.22pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I don't particularly care about pushing up the table. I want to give some youngsters some game time in preparation for next season.

The odd one might get a game from the bench but otherwise it's very unlikely. Firstly, Roy/SP will want to go on picking up points and will not consider weakening the side in the interests of giving youngsters a run out. There is more cash to be earned as you climb the table.

Secondly, it would mean dropping players who have got us into he position we are in, which would be a bit unfair on them.

Unless we have another injury crisis, or we have a youngster who is too precociously talented to ignore, I'm afraid youth will not be getting much of a look in.

 

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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I don't particularly care about pushing up the table. I want to give some youngsters some game time in preparation for next season.

I still want Roy to push us up the table just a couple points off Europe yes please

 

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