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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 01 Aug 19 8.38am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

I've been quite vocally against trans athletes gaining athletic advantage on here of late, but as a point regarding people simply existing I'll state my view.

I do think trans issues are a weird one to get your head around, because most people for the most part feel very home in their own body. For want of a better explanation though, it does appear that some feel the very opposite, as if some kind of internal schema results in a flicked switch that is unlikely to switch back. From that perspective I'd rather someone become as close to their idea of who they are, and make Youtube videos about the realities of that, than be some kind of tortured wreck in a room. There's significant politicisation in both directions as you demonstrate, but that's of limited use when it comes their actual reality.

Clearly there's plenty of issues about younger people and hormones and that whole mess, but this person as an adult making the choices that they have, may well be doing 'the right thing' based on how they feel about it and the parameters that are set for them. As in, in their shoes you may well have done the same thing. So from that perspective, who cares if someone else is unhappy with it, or looks to an era where someone would be classified as insane, just because that's more comforting than appreciating their point of view.

Perhaps it's not a great idea to think that someone should be sectioned and considered mad if we aren't well aligned with them. Life is long enough that eventually we ourselves may be considered to be that person at some point.. and in that place and at that time, we'd very much be hoping for a take on us that involved thought and consideration, rather than the opposite.


Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 2.24am)

Thatís a very fair summation. Body dysmorphia is part of the human condition to some degree - the cosmetics industry could be regarded as based on it to an extent but the definition could be extended to include the diet industry, gym culture/bodybuilding all the way to hair replacement treatment and maybe even fashion.
There are more important problems in life than someone elseís gender struggle. Anyone who wants to take hormones and have a nip/tuck can have at it without broadcasting the fact to the world.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag Chelsea 01 Aug 19 9.10am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

I've been quite vocally against trans athletes gaining athletic advantage on here of late, but as a point regarding people simply existing I'll state my view.

I do think trans issues are a weird one to get your head around, because most people for the most part feel very home in their own body. For want of a better explanation though, it does appear that some feel the very opposite, as if some kind of internal schema results in a flicked switch that is unlikely to switch back. From that perspective I'd rather someone become as close to their idea of who they are, and make Youtube videos about the realities of that, than be some kind of tortured wreck in a room. There's significant politicisation in both directions as you demonstrate, but that's of limited use when it comes their actual reality.

Clearly there's plenty of issues about younger people and hormones and that whole mess, but this person as an adult making the choices that they have, may well be doing 'the right thing' based on how they feel about it and the parameters that are set for them. As in, in their shoes you may well have done the same thing. So from that perspective, who cares if someone else is unhappy with it, or looks to an era where someone would be classified as insane, just because that's more comforting than appreciating their point of view.

Perhaps it's not a great idea to think that someone should be sectioned and considered mad if we aren't well aligned with them. Life is long enough that eventually we ourselves may be considered to be that person at some point.. and in that place and at that time, we'd very much be hoping for a take on us that involved thought and consideration, rather than the opposite.


Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 2.24am)

This is a very good thought provoking post compared to my shallow but honest and factual view. The problem that the guy in the video faces is his belief that he is having monthly 'periods' and directly comparing that to the currently impossible, e.g. that of a female period.
As you say, if that helps him cope with life on an increasingly fast changing planet in many ways, then good luck to him.
However, at some point we need to consider and decide as a society many different views on whether this chap should be informed of the reality or not.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag Chelsea 01 Aug 19 9.18am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

This is a very good thought provoking post compared to my shallow but honest and factual view. The problem that the guy in the video faces is his belief that he is having monthly 'periods' and directly comparing that to the currently impossible, e.g. that of a female period.
As you say, if that helps him cope with life on an increasingly fast changing planet in many ways, then good luck to him.
However, at some point we need to consider and decide as a society many different views on whether this chap should be informed of the reality or not.


Or is this 'chap' actually originally a female???
OMG
Im ducking out of this. Well over my head.

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 01 Aug 19 10.00am Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Morning Chris. I donít have to point out the absurdity of your post to you as you know exactly what you are doing

For the record, who knows what is chicken and what is egg. Finding yourself with gender dysphoria must create many emotional and psychological pressures. I knew someone who suddenly developed it after having cancer. Simply became female. Most unexpected, a more macho bloke would have been hard to find.

And that's not more evidence of mental illness?

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 01 Aug 19 10.01am Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by W12

And that's not more evidence of mental illness?

Otherwise your "logic" says cancer causes sex changes?

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 10.07am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Predictable and "interesting" though this discussion might be what is the connection to "lefties"?

Why should people with this situation necessarily be of the "left"?

It is just an assumption that if you are on the "right" these kinds of things cannot happen to you, so they must be on the "left"?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 01 Aug 19 10.12am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

And that's not more evidence of mental illness?

There was absolutely no sign of mental illness. Unless you class gender dysphoria itself as mental illness. If you are Victorian you might do.

 

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View rob1969's Profile rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 01 Aug 19 11.10am Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider


Or is this 'chap' actually originally a female???
OMG
Im ducking out of this. Well over my head.

I assumed this the case otherwise I completely baffled

 

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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 01 Aug 19 11.39am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Ben Elton was occasionally funny. One of his best was the sketch about men boasting about farting, getting pissed, throwing up and have a right good tom tit after a curry:

'Imagine if a bloke had periods: "I was strolling to the crease in my whites ready to bat when would you adam and even it my period started! Honest mate, there was claret everywhere! (s******)".

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 01 Aug 19 11.44am Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree


There was absolutely no sign of mental illness. Unless you class gender dysphoria itself as mental illness. If you are Victorian you might do.

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 01 Aug 19 11.52am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Predictable and "interesting" though this discussion might be what is the connection to "lefties"?

Why should people with this situation necessarily be of the "left"?

It is just an assumption that if you are on the "right" these kinds of things cannot happen to you, so they must be on the "left"?

Because it's only those on the left who are REALLY pushing this strand of identity politics. The transgender groups are very politicised. There was a piece in the Guardian about it recently.

Doctors in the NHS who are not willing to advise patients to transition if they have gender dysphoria have been labelled 'transphobes'. More political correctness Ė a product of the left.

Which means CHILDREN are having operations without getting a full assessment of their options or being given hormone blockers which has increased suicide and self-harm thoughts!

The transgender lobby is cancer.

Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 11.53am)

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Online Flag SW2 01 Aug 19 11.54am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Genuine question lads; does it get exhausting being this ANGRY about EVERYTHING?

 


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