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View kingdowieonthewall's Profile kingdowieonthewall Flag glorious Goring by sea 07 Aug 19 5.28pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

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View Harborough Eagle's Profile Harborough Eagle Flag Market Harborough, Leicestershire 07 Aug 19 7.14pm Send a Private Message to Harborough Eagle Add Harborough Eagle as a friend

As a type 2 diabetic the advice I have been given is as you say cut out sugar and low carb but also avoid fat as high cholesterol in a diabetic further increases risk of heart and stroke problems.
PS I am 72kg and 5ft 7ins tall so not hugely overweight.


Originally posted by Badger11

You may have a point. A friend of mine is a GP she tells me that the current NHS advice on diet is wrong and out of date. She reads the latest research and says it will take the NHS a couple of years to catch up.

Her advice is sugar is the killer, cut this out and have a low carb diet with high fat content e.g. full fat Greek yogurt.

Edited by Harborough Eagle (07 Aug 2019 7.14pm)

Edited by Harborough Eagle (07 Aug 2019 7.19pm)

 


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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag UK/Thailand 07 Aug 19 8.27pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

The NHS was formed to make people better.
It now is used to keep people alive as well.
If it doesnt treat the smokers the fatties the druggies, the drunks(main cost of A And E),the old gits and idiots who drive like dicks etc.
Someone will do a time and motion study and it will shrink.
If you dont get customers you close your shop.
Keep as is and stop expecting people and forcing them to live till they're 146.
If I want to die by 60 it's my business and no one elses.
Including my mob.
This is only a brief visit and no one gets out alive.
I'm insured so screw the system it wont be needed.


The NHS has always been about keeping people alive and making them better.

NHS is poor when it comes to prevention which is one of the many reasons it is in such a state if you guided people correctly and educated correctly so many illness/disease can be prevented but it doesn't why because it's a business that wants people sick and them wanting people to live to 100+ hardly.

The whole not treating drunks and druggies I do not agree but it should be handled in a different way and report offenders should start o get fines etc. (lets not forget both tend to be due to mental health issues another area which has been neglected)

You go die then that is your choice just don't expect every one else to cover your health bills with your awful lifestyle that is what annoys me and no your drink and tobacco tax doesn't cover the costs far from it.

Originally posted by Harborough Eagle

As a type 2 diabetic the advice I have been given is as you say cut out sugar and low carb but also avoid fat as high cholesterol in a diabetic further increases risk of heart and stroke problems.
PS I am 72kg and 5ft 7ins tall so not hugely overweight.


Edited by Harborough Eagle (07 Aug 2019 7.19pm)


But does their low carb include lots of fruit and veg as well as wholegrains i bet it does which is not low carb at all.

very poor advice about cutting fat and cholesterol this again shows they don't have a clue the data shows both have nothing to do with heart disease the cause is carbs/sugar.

If you do the low to zero carb correctly you will fix the diabetes.

You are classed as overweight by them I take it which is another thing they will push watch the calories blah blah it's complete BS at that weight you may be in good shape could be muscle if it's not the case if they had been teaching correct zero to low carb diet you will drop weight no problem in month or 2 so that is another thing fixed.

 


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.TUX. Flag 07 Aug 19 8.54pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Although I agree with him, since when has this country not supported the weak far better than it supports the strong.
We have a fundamental of take from the rich, give to the poor.
Help the weak not the strong.
Its called Nanny state, p.c. etc. etc.......
That won't change.

The country has always supported the strong to the detriment of the weak (that's you and me). Where do you think the wealth of the rich originally came from and who has been continually, over bloody centuries, maintained their wealth? Weak people.
Weak people are needed to keep the 'status quo'.
Fat people/old people/mentally ill people/smokers/druggies aren't the ones who continually rob you, regardless of what you're led to believe. They're just easy targets for, with all due respect, the blinkered.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Aug 19 9.02pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


NHS doesn't want to change because it's guidelines come from policy makers who have an investment in things like food industry.

just look at that government report about saturated fat that just came out and what a load of rubbish that was even in the research they state the data comes from shows saturated fat does not cause the likes of heart disease yet they have ignored this and sticking with people should eat low fat diets.

the nhs still keeps advising people that are diabetics to eat fruit and wholegrains whats that about any person hat knows how nutrition works correctly knows both are no no yet doctors state this works no it doesn't but remember it's the calories or body weight that matters not fixing the insulin resistance.

As I have always said. Dietary studies using large samples of the population are always likely to be unreliable because you cannot isolate them from other risk factors.
In the case of saturates, it is now thought that the exaggerated link to mortality rate due to coronary disease was due to smoking.
I have always thought that scientists were a little lacking in the common sense department.
That said, fat still contains double the calories of carbs so shold be eaten in moderation. It is also wise to have the correct balance of fats. Fats that are predominately saturated are still a problem if that is the only type of fat you consume and trans fats are to be avoided completely.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Aug 19 9.11pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Grumpy by name grumpy by nature.
Firstly you will pay for me and anyone else.
the NHS is free.
Also I never mentioned tax from my vices.
The point of living longer is because a pure lifestyle is being pushed on us.
That in reality would give you a longer life.
There is no guarantee you would be healthy or rich enough and you could have a greater chance of dementia or the like or starve to death the older you get.
Radical but not hard to see it a possibility.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Aug 19 9.58pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

The country has always supported the strong to the detriment of the weak (that's you and me). Where do you think the wealth of the rich originally came from and who has been continually, over bloody centuries, maintained their wealth? Weak people.
Weak people are needed to keep the 'status quo'.
Fat people/old people/mentally ill people/smokers/druggies aren't the ones who continually rob you, regardless of what you're led to believe. They're just easy targets for, with all due respect, the blinkered.

It's a fair comment TUX. If we want to chase anyone with pitchforks it should be mortgage lenders.

It's a fair comment TUX. If we want to chase anyone with pitchforks it should be mortgage lenders.

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deleted user Flag 07 Aug 19 10.43pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

The country has always supported the strong to the detriment of the weak (that's you and me). Where do you think the wealth of the rich originally came from and who has been continually, over bloody centuries, maintained their wealth? Weak people.
Weak people are needed to keep the 'status quo'.
Fat people/old people/mentally ill people/smokers/druggies aren't the ones who continually rob you, regardless of what you're led to believe. They're just easy targets for, with all due respect, the blinkered.


I tend to agree. Poor people are only ever the recipient of scraps at the best of times.

Sure it's ill advised to over eat, take drugs, smoke and all of that, but if we start cherry picking who receives treatment based on an assessment of their poor life choices where does it all end? It's very subjective.

Better I think to look at it from the perspective that the personal cost for living that way is enough. If you develop a drug addiction it can wreck your physical and mental health, if you get diabetes through poor diet control then that's a livelong price with very real health consequences. It's a bit of a kick in the teeth if you're also not entitled to health care as result of your personal failings. The healthcare system should be for all.


Edited by dollardays (07 Aug 2019 10.45pm)

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Aug 19 10.46pm

So to sum up my previous message No fat people should not be allowed to die . Funny and dramatic title though.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 08 Aug 19 6.29am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

I tend to agree. Poor people are only ever the recipient of scraps at the best of times.

Sure it's ill advised to over eat, take drugs, smoke and all of that, but if we start cherry picking who receives treatment based on an assessment of their poor life choices where does it all end? It's very subjective.

Better I think to look at it from the perspective that the personal cost for living that way is enough. If you develop a drug addiction it can wreck your physical and mental health, if you get diabetes through poor diet control then that's a livelong price with very real health consequences. It's a bit of a kick in the teeth if you're also not entitled to health care as result of your personal failings. The healthcare system should be for all.


Edited by dollardays (07 Aug 2019 10.45pm)

Also DD let's not forget that bad lifestyle choices are not a guarantee of worse health than good lifestyle choices. Some are a catalyst to bad health but not a gimmee.
Maybe drugs and drink to excess more so.
Plenty of 'healthy ' people get the same illnesses but admittedly in smaller amounts.
My 18 year old has type 1 diabetes.
How can that be a bad choice.
That is bad luck I'm afraid.
I would take it from him today but sadly I cant.
The coeliac he has is another bad luck shot.
s*** happens, dont covet life, live it.

 

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deleted user Flag 08 Aug 19 6.56am

Originally posted by cryrst

Also DD let's not forget that bad lifestyle choices are not a guarantee of worse health than good lifestyle choices. Some are a catalyst to bad health but not a gimmee.
Maybe drugs and drink to excess more so.
Plenty of 'healthy ' people get the same illnesses but admittedly in smaller amounts.
My 18 year old has type 1 diabetes.
How can that be a bad choice.
That is bad luck I'm afraid.
I would take it from him today but sadly I cant.
The coeliac he has is another bad luck shot.
s*** happens, dont covet life, live it.

Yes, that's exactly right and that's why I think the health service as much as is possible should be open to all. There are often enough barriers to treatment already and enough injustices in life that beset us. As you say, type 1 is a different kettle of fish too in that it's not diet related and so comes down to an unfortunate roll of the dice. As with the coeliac. You should be commended for the way you approach this challenge as a team effort and have educated yourself on it, that's what family is about about. Let us continue to hope for further medical advancements over the years.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Aug 19 6.59am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Plenty of 'healthy ' people get the same illnesses but admittedly in smaller amounts.
My 18 year old has type 1 diabetes.
How can that be a bad choice.

Type 1 is a different illness to type 2 diabetes and isn't considered to be caused by lifestyle

 

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