I agree, she's exactly the kind of leader they need.

But you just know the fruitcakes steering that ship are a million miles away from doing something sensible like that.

The way Labour's party rules are set up the grass roots would have to want to move to the right of the party.

But I think we both know what's going to happen.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Swinson really got on my wick.

The political schadenfreude was strong though obviously I wish her well otherwise....you could see she was holding it back as it crashed down around her.

But as a politician....no thanks.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Flint is no longer an MP as she lost her Don Valley seat.

Yes, she would have to sneak back in a safe seat first.

I think Boris holds the power now and any opposition leader will struggle anyway.

With that majority I agree, which isn't great for democracy as a strong opposition does offer a counter balance against a one party state, but that is Labours fault not the Tories.

One hope for Labour, if we can get our act together, is that it seems that a fair percentage of the Labour voters who voted Tory or Brexit party were only 'lending' (BJ's quote) their vote. I don't believe they have gone from Labour forever.

I should add that Jess Phillips is the type of person you could chat to in a pub but Caroline Flint is the type you'd like to go home from the pub with

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Beginning to suspect there might not be a Labour Party, in its current form, left to lead.

Over the last 10-15 years the only thing that has held it together is the FPTP system with its core base dependent on its tribal support.

Scotland was the first to go and now large swathes of the North. The differences between its traditional voters and the progressive types who now dominate the membership are to wide to bridge. Corbyn did have, at least to the start with, the ability to do both but now?

Seriously, who is there?

Labour have a catch 22 in how they select their leaders. Meaning that the Progressive types, who dominate the membership will only vote for somebody who simply cannot, and will not, be willing to pander to the wishes of the voters they need to capture back.

Len McClusky is the key to this. Needs to insist that the TU's are given the prominent role in choosing who leads the LP.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.