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For a momentary input of light here is a video clip....appartently of Ken Livingston...putting his foot in it again.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 02 Dec 19 1.35pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Islamic extremism isn't the problem, It's all those Neo nazis & rabid right wingers!!!

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Dec 19 1.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Islamic extremism isn't the problem, It's all those Neo nazis & rabid right wingers!!!

Yeah, it's not a Caliphate....it'll be a Pepephate!

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 02 Dec 19 1.53pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

It does present a range of questions that need to be asked.

Now from what I am reading around the edges of this terrible tragedy, this Khan scumbag was actually an invited guest to this conference on rehabilitation. Might even have been touted around as one of their success stories. This was no random attack aimed at just garnering headlines. This was a specific, targetted mission.

Ok. Let me put this out there and I am doing so for purposes of debate. What if this particular scumbag hated rehabilitation programs like this because they were too successful? That for many of his colleagues who also went through the process that they emerged on the other side as people able to fit back into society again?

That his actions were deliberate in that he knew, or the people ordering him from above, want such programs closed down?

Trying to think around the edges here, to come at the incident from a different angle because this attack did have a crucial difference from the previous spate of others in that it had a focus.

Perhaps I am reading to much into this all but this one stinks. And I refuse to believe this guy acted all alone. No way. Prior to it he clearly sort of hide his motives for a fair old while, willing to no doubt submit himself to all sorts of subtefuge. Even heresy on some level because he would have had to disown his clearly still held extremist views.

I share the knee-jerk instincts on this one and know that the cops involved had to kill him. Understand and agree with all the reasons why. But for once it would have been good to have had a chance to actually question this f***er.

Because this one is different. No way did this guy act alone. This was a specifically political target. He was far more than the usual jihadi loser scumbag.

Edited by Matov (02 Dec 2019 11.31am)

Edited by Matov (02 Dec 2019 11.32am)

If prison, probation and the like can be gamed - we're not as safe as we thought we were.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 Dec 19 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

You have to wonder how successful any de-radicalization program can ever be. How many people on here would change their views on Brexit or voting intentions?

I'm not saying they shouldn't try but it appears to be the only solution they have at the moment. And when it doesn't work they change the program again and again.

Just heard Mayor Cannot on the radio the usual pathetic platitudes because he has no idea what to do and neither to the rest of the politicians.

Very depressing.

 


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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 02 Dec 19 2.38pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

You have to wonder how successful any de-radicalization program can ever be. How many people on here would change their views on Brexit or voting intentions?

I'm not saying they shouldn't try but it appears to be the only solution they have at the moment. And when it doesn't work they change the program again and again.

Just heard Mayor Cannot on the radio the usual pathetic platitudes because he has no idea what to do and neither to the rest of the politicians.

Very depressing.

Depressing it is. It's one of those areas where, no doubt it does work for some people, but at the same time can you ever 'really' trust someone who had intentions to create such carnage to begin with, or whose thinking and morality is shot to that degree. It can't be easy to spot who is genuinely changing and who is paying lip service with the prize of freedom as reward.

With this Khan guy, wasn't he awarded a computer and part of reintegrating or something like that. Even if someone has 'changed', the murky online world of these weak fringe types, be it Islamic, racial, right wing, whatever, is alluring to the outcast. How long before he slipped back into those old ways, if he ever left them, and aligned himself back with his own worst qualities? Not long it seems. Tag or not tag, internet or no internet, the more malignant in society will always find a way. Like you, I'm not saying some can't change, but rationally if someone ever genuinely plots a terror attack I don't think they should see the light of day again.

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Dec 19 3.03pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Too bad we don't lose more often then

Originally posted by Matov

Actually, and I loathe defending Corbyn, I suspect he would fully subscribe to the current policy. If somebody presents as wearing an IED, then shooting to kill is the only option open. That has already been politically agreed upon. My understanding is that the cop involved would get in trouble if he did not open fire (but am happy to be corrected on that). The wider duty of care is to the public. No politician serious about wider public office could ever deny that.

But Khan knew that. As did the 3 who ran amok in the same location a couple of years ago. Shoot to kill is not a deterrent with these loons. It is part of the attraction. And to be honest, it is a sign of failure on the part of our Government. If it gets to that stage then it is just a case of limiting the potential damage. Killing a terrorist in that manner is a sign we have actually lost.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Dec 19 3.11pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

You cannot be serious, comparing changing the voting intention of a voter on Brexit with de radicalising a jihadist terrorist.

Originally posted by Badger11

You have to wonder how successful any de-radicalization program can ever be. How many people on here would change their views on Brexit or voting intentions?

I'm not saying they shouldn't try but it appears to be the only solution they have at the moment. And when it doesn't work they change the program again and again.

Just heard Mayor Cannot on the radio the usual pathetic platitudes because he has no idea what to do and neither to the rest of the politicians.

Very depressing.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag Chatham 02 Dec 19 3.24pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

You cannot be serious, comparing changing the voting intention of a voter on Brexit with de radicalising a jihadist terrorist.

He wasnt comparing it.
I have voted tory for ever.
Dont read many manifestos just vote the way I always have.
Right or wrong I just do.
Point being in the case of the Quran and non believers, if you hate something so much why or how coukd/would you want to change that thought.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

He wasnt comparing it.
I have voted tory for ever.
Dont read many manifestos just vote the way I always have.
Right or wrong I just do.
Point being in the case of the Quran and non believers, if you hate something so much why or how coukd/would you want to change that thought.

Exactly

My point was people don't seem to change their opinion even when the other side argue their case well. So how likely is someone who has a deep belief in their cause going to change their mind.

Some will but I suspect most won't.

 


One more point

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag Chatham 02 Dec 19 5.02pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly

My point was people don't seem to change their opinion even when the other side argue their case well. So how likely is someone who has a deep belief in their cause going to change their mind.

Some will but I suspect most won't.

I fear that some are still only doing it for lip service though.
In their heart I reckon it still seems correct but to get on they have to do what they gotta do.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly

My point was people don't seem to change their opinion even when the other side argue their case well. So how likely is someone who has a deep belief in their cause going to change their mind.

Some will but I suspect most won't.

The assumption needs to change somewhat for radicalised terrorists. Just reading that the guy's lawyer thinks he might have been deceived.

 

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