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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 02 Dec 19 5.46pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly

My point was people don't seem to change their opinion even when the other side argue their case well. So how likely is someone who has a deep belief in their cause going to change their mind.

Some will but I suspect most won't.

That's the thing tho, you are right, most people wont because they are too afraid to say or do anything because they could find themselves arrested or abused by people who have 'liberal' views than themselves.

IMO, we have, in this country, been far to tolerant to immigrants & their nationalistic/religeous views which has impacted on our own values, traditions &, yes our religion. I appreciate that some people on here will shoot me down depending on their own view, fair enough.

Why do we & the country as a whole HAVE to bow down to other views, religion & customs? This is Great Britain FFS(or maybe not anymore)

I also feel for the officers involved with the actual shooting, as ive already mentioned on another thread, I sincerely hope in years to come they are not charged for their heroic actions like the Para's & vets have ongoing.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Dec 19 6.25pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Surprised by the intellectual debate. I was wondering how much one bullet costs?

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Dec 19 7.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

The assumption needs to change somewhat for radicalised terrorists. Just reading that the guy's lawyer thinks he might have been deceived.

Quite ironic for a lawyer to say that.

 

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GaryLoftylofthouse Flag Blackpool 02 Dec 19 8.34pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Surprised by the intellectual debate. I was wondering how much one bullet costs?

Gi'um a Blackpool season ticket and a revolver wit one bullet in it and tell em after the first match they can have one or t'other.

Next!

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 02 Dec 19 9.06pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Much as I am for hanging and flogging it's not going to happen.

We can however change the rules around deportation of of foreign criminals. When sentencing a judge should automatically order a criminal is deported at the end of the sentence this becomes the default state rather than the authorities having to initiate it.

Whilst he is serving his sentence he can appeal but at the end of his sentence he is deported, if the appeal process is still going on he can appeal from the country where his has been sent.

The basis of any appeal has to be to prove that the individual is a fit and worth person to remain in our society rather than society having to prove that the person is a danger.

This would mean changes to the Human Rights law by way of adding a "responsibilities and duties" clause

This won't solve all problems but its a start.

Do you have a list of countries to hand who would take one of these people?

Take a Muslim of pakistani origin. They would not have him unless he carried a pakistani passport. Otherwise why would they take a bloke born and bred in Britain with a terrorism criminal record? Doesnt matter what our courts order pakistan immigration will turn him back.

in principle I like the idea but it is fraught with logistical challenges which I fear are insurmountable.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Dec 19 9.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Do you have a list of countries to hand who would take one of these people?

Take a Muslim of pakistani origin. They would not have him unless he carried a pakistani passport. Otherwise why would they take a bloke born and bred in Britain with a terrorism criminal record? Doesnt matter what our courts order pakistan immigration will turn him back.

in principle I like the idea but it is fraught with logistical challenges which I fear are insurmountable.

They will take him for money.....We'd do what we need to do.

Money makes the world go around and we have a lot more of it than pakistan has......That's why so many of them are over here.


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Dec 19 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Do you have a list of countries to hand who would take one of these people?

Take a Muslim of pakistani origin. They would not have him unless he carried a pakistani passport. Otherwise why would they take a bloke born and bred in Britain with a terrorism criminal record? Doesnt matter what our courts order pakistan immigration will turn him back.

in principle I like the idea but it is fraught with logistical challenges which I fear are insurmountable.

Tristan de Cunha is pretty empty.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 02 Dec 19 9.24pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Too bad we don't lose more often then

There are plenty out there who were jihadist and are now part of deprogramming projects.

The idea of once a terrorist always a terrorist is misguided.

Moreover like ex gang members who would you listen to to abandon your beliefs? An ex believer who looks and sounds like you or some well meaning liberal white bloke like me?

Throwing away the key is definitely the best route for some but not all.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 02 Dec 19 9.28pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Quite ironic for a lawyer to say that.

You'd have thought that with the intelligence tools the security services have at their disposal - a realistic risk assessment ought to be possible.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Dec 19 10.03pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

There are plenty out there who were jihadist and are now part of deprogramming projects.

The idea of once a terrorist always a terrorist is misguided.

Moreover like ex gang members who would you listen to to abandon your beliefs? An ex believer who looks and sounds like you or some well meaning liberal white bloke like me?

Throwing away the key is definitely the best route for some but not all.

Errrr....we wouldn't have this problem if it weren't for white liberal blokes in the first place....so...

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2019 10.05pm)

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Dec 19 11.53pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

I misinterpreted the context

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly

My point was people don't seem to change their opinion even when the other side argue their case well. So how likely is someone who has a deep belief in their cause going to change their mind.

Some will but I suspect most won't.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Dec 19 11.55pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Lawyer probably worried about his potential liability to some kind of prosecution or other sanction.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Quite ironic for a lawyer to say that.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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