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View CPFC1965's Profile CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 03 Dec 19 6.55am Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

Just give all terrorists a mandatory life sentence where life means life without parole.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Dec 19 8.08am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Do you have a list of countries to hand who would take one of these people?

Take a Muslim of pakistani origin. They would not have him unless he carried a pakistani passport. Otherwise why would they take a bloke born and bred in Britain with a terrorism criminal record? Doesnt matter what our courts order pakistan immigration will turn him back.

in principle I like the idea but it is fraught with logistical challenges which I fear are insurmountable.

You are correct I wouldn't expect other countries to take our British criminals. In my 2nd paragraph I referred to foreign criminals and not just terrorists.

At the moment it seems that many are allowed to stay even after comiting serious crimes and there is no attempt to deport them. For others the process starts once the're released from gaol which seems to take years at our expense and often fails because of their "uman rights".

I'm saying start the process at conviction with the assumption that the criminal has to prove why he should stay not the other way round.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Dec 2019 8.09am)

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 03 Dec 19 10.01am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Now could be a good time to bring back to the fore the crime of 'Treason', widen it to include 'crimes against the state and it's citizens', of which attempted mass killings or acts of terrorism would be included, and make it a capital offense.

Let them become martyrs and go to paradise with their howevermany virgins as a reward, at least no-one else will die by their hand.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 03 Dec 19 10.16am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by CPFC1965

Just give all terrorists a mandatory life sentence where life means life without parole.

Basically cost.

We have over twenty thousand on watch lists and they need to be separated from other prisoners.

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 03 Dec 19 10.17am Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

The most depressing thing about this whole episode is the reaction of the mans father who was butchered.

"Jack Merritt's father David, who says his son would be "livid" that his death has been "used to further an agenda of hate" after the terror attack on Friday"

He needs to read these words back until the penny finally drops although I fear it never will with these people. He will happily throw other peoples children on the funeral pyre of fanatical liberalism.

He clearly doesn't see that it's the values he's instilled in in son that have put him in a position of danger that ultimately led to his brutal murder.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 03 Dec 19 10.18am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The public at large have little idea about the extent of this problem.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 03 Dec 19 10.27am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

The most depressing thing about this whole episode is the reaction of the mans father who was butchered.

"Jack Merritt's father David, who says his son would be "livid" that his death has been "used to further an agenda of hate" after the terror attack on Friday"

He needs to read these words back until the penny finally drops although I fear it never will with these people. He will happily throw other peoples children on the funeral pyre of fanatical liberalism.

He clearly doesn't see that it's the values he's instilled in in son that have put him in a position of danger that ultimately led to his brutal murder.

The father has been very political with his son's death.

While I accept that people grieve differently I have to say I find his behaviour very odd.

He brought his son up with the same beliefs he has. His son and another are dead with three injured...one seriously. I regard him as completely irresponsible.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 03 Dec 19 10.35am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The father has been very political with his son's death.

While I accept that people grieve differently I have to say I find his behaviour very odd.

He brought his son up with the same beliefs he has. His son and another are dead with three injured...one seriously. I regard him as completely irresponsible.

Rehabilitation of terrorists is absolutely not my area, but very interested to know what kind of risk assessment was performed and whether the terrorist was escorted at all times.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Dec 19 11.38am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Rehabilitation of terrorists is absolutely not my area, but very interested to know what kind of risk assessment was performed and whether the terrorist was escorted at all times.

Obviously not. Pretty much everyone could see this coming - apart from the relevant authorities.

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 03 Dec 19 11.39am Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Rehabilitation of terrorists is absolutely not my area, but very interested to know what kind of risk assessment was performed and whether the terrorist was escorted at all times.

A good point was raised this morning on a podcast I listened to. Why wasn't there an armed officer in attendance in the room which had terrorists and more than one murderer. The answer is probably " because racism".

Apparently the success of rehabilitation for terrorists is also extremely low and this psychopath was the poster boy for the organisation that both of the people that were butchered belonged to.


 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 03 Dec 19 11.56am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Rehabilitation of terrorists is absolutely not my area, but very interested to know what kind of risk assessment was performed and whether the terrorist was escorted at all times.


Rehabilitation in general isn't very successful. It does happen of course as people change in life.....but personally I think the targeted affect of governmentally funded groups is minimal and highlighted more out of hope than practical affect.

The causes behind each individual are obviously deep in their background and mental make up. Essentially, it comes down to commitment and what they expect for themselves.

To become a terrorist in the first place you'd have to be quite committed and they have a community where many of their beliefs and resentments are mirrored.

To even try to change that would be seen as 'them v us'.....which is correct. It can only come from the Mosques....and they would instantly be regarded as Uncle Toms.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2019 11.59am)

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 03 Dec 19 2.04pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

....and so the public are left to defend themselves themselves armed with narhwal tusks and fire extinguishers.

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

 

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