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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 20 9.11pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Hang on you told us for the last few years we should trust the politicians in Parliament to make the right decision? Changing you mind?

The decent politicians in Parliament tried very hard to make the right decisions. Many of them lost their jobs as a consequence. What the whole episode revealed is the pressing need for reform and a weakening of the party system and strengthening of the power of individual MPs. The case for PR could hardly have been made clearer. Minority governments need to be sent to the rubbish bin of history.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 15 Aug 20 9.14pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Looks like the Trump campaign is veering back towards birther conspiracies to try and discredit Harris.

Prior instances of this from DT included both Obama and Ted Cruz.

You wonder why he does it...

But how else are those unable to relate to human beings in any meaningful way beyond their race going to get a stiffy?

Both parties tick off the more repugnant and kooky elements of their base with their own brand of divisive b0llocks. Biden will soon no doubt be crying out "reparations" with tears in his eyes while wearing a durag, and Trump will find about 5000 ways to say that Kamala Harris should 'go back' to Bombay or Kingston. All the fun of the fair.

It's a ridiculous moment. In our connected world, we have no control over the race of the family line anyway. Biology doesn't care about racial politics, and so it pays to keep a sane perspective on other people... else it gets a bit awkward at the dinner table.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 20 9.22pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Biden's running mate was a District Attorney and Public Prosecutor. As such, Harris put people in prison, many black people too. For some heinous offences like having a couple of grams of cannabis people have got prison sentences way out of proportion to the crimes.
Don't worry though, she's a female of colour so can do nothing wrong in the media and social media world. But there are people, Democratic voters, who might not be so quick to forgive and forget.

Judges put people in prison if they break the law. Prosecutors prosecute those they believe have broken the law. Your skin colour ought to have nothing to do with it.

Harris being strong on law and order, when Trump is making that his primary battleground, is no bad thing at all.

Harris has a sharp mind and an acerbic wit capable of eviscerating those who think too highly of themselves. Her put-downs of Trump are already a delight to behold and although others can, and often do, do it too, she will now get the public attention that such put-downs deserve.

Trump throwing out his usual childish insults won't harm her at all. It just makes him look an idiot.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Judges put people in prison if they break the law. Prosecutors prosecute those they believe have broken the law. Your skin colour ought to have nothing to do with it.

Harris being strong on law and order, when Trump is making that his primary battleground, is no bad thing at all.

Harris has a sharp mind and an acerbic wit capable of eviscerating those who think too highly of themselves. Her put-downs of Trump are already a delight to behold and although others can, and often do, do it too, she will now get the public attention that such put-downs deserve.

Trump throwing out his usual childish insults won't harm her at all. It just makes him look an idiot.

Biden wrote the crime bill which has seen black people thrown in the nick for minimal offenses and because of constant references for small things they end up like Bronson going away for years for something stupid.

 

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Originally posted by Cpfc1861

Biden wrote the crime bill which has seen black people thrown in the nick for minimal offenses and because of constant references for small things they end up like Bronson going away for years for something stupid.

And even more stupid is the fact they cant see it.
Equality street will become separation street if Biden wins.

 

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Originally posted by Cpfc1861

Biden wrote the crime bill which has seen black people thrown in the nick for minimal offenses and because of constant references for small things they end up like Bronson going away for years for something stupid.

All on his own? Congress wasn't involved?

No bill targets colour. They target crime. It's the systemic racism of the police, often unrecognised by individual officers because it lies deep in society's psychology, that needs to be tackled as it's the disproportionate use of the law which is the problem. Not the law itself.

Sometimes the depths to which people sink to find mud to sling belies belief.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All on his own? Congress wasn't involved?

No bill targets colour. They target crime. It's the systemic racism of the police, often unrecognised by individual officers because it lies deep in society's psychology, that needs to be tackled as it's the disproportionate use of the law which is the problem. Not the law itself.

Sometimes the depths to which people sink to find mud to sling belies belief.


You cannot scream racism when the law is doing what it's meant to as you agree.
It's no fault of this said law when blacks disproportionately commit these minor crimes which tot up to a bigger crime. See line 1.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All on his own? Congress wasn't involved?

No bill targets colour. They target crime. It's the systemic racism of the police, often unrecognised by individual officers because it lies deep in society's psychology, that needs to be tackled as it's the disproportionate use of the law which is the problem. Not the law itself.

Sometimes the depths to which people sink to find mud to sling belies belief.

Are you saying that black people are unfairly being locked up?

I hear this a lot but the evidence that backs it up is a bit dodgy. For instance a white man in a suit is fined for cocaine whilst a black man goes to jail. What the critics don't take into account is if there is any previous. If the black man has a history of violent crime then then law will take that into account so it is not a valid comparison.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 20 9.47pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst


You cannot scream racism when the law is doing what it's meant to as you agree.
It's no fault of this said law when blacks disproportionately commit these minor crimes which tot up to a bigger crime. See line 1.

Are you deliberately misunderstanding what I wrote? Or are you in denial of what is happening? It has to be one or the other.

Administering the law can either be done with a light or a heavy touch. When the Police are unaware of their own prejudices which causes them to use a heavy touch with some, and a lighter touch with others, then the problem is not the law. It's the application of the law whichis and which needs to be overhauled.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 20 9.56pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Are you saying that black people are unfairly being locked up?

I hear this a lot but the evidence that backs it up is a bit dodgy. For instance a white man in a suit is fined for cocaine whilst a black man goes to jail. What the critics don't take into account is if there is any previous. If the black man has a history of violent crime then then law will take that into account so it is not a valid comparison.

I am not.

I am saying that everyone, whatever their skin colour happens to be, has to be treated exactly the same. Whether they wear a suit also makes no difference. The problem is the prejudice that lies deep within us all which is largely unrecognised. It is part of our culture and is only now being identified as the problem it clearly is. The impact on behaviour extends into all the disparate communities that make up our society and no-one escapes. Solving it isn't going to be easy but accepting it exists is an essential first step.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All on his own? Congress wasn't involved?

No bill targets colour. They target crime. It's the systemic racism of the police, often unrecognised by individual officers because it lies deep in society's psychology, that needs to be tackled as it's the disproportionate use of the law which is the problem. Not the law itself.

Sometimes the depths to which people sink to find mud to sling belies belief.

So you blame the police for arresting people who break the law but let the people who wrote said bill slide which results in arrested people go to prison. That makes no sense. The police have to arrest people for a crime if it's illegal whether they're black or white if they commit a crime the system decides the sentence. Biden was the main man who created the system you are against Trump rewrote the bill so more people (mainly blacks) get 2nd chances. Your confused. I dont think you want the system to improve you just want your man in even if he makes life worse for blacks simply cos you hate the other man. You lefties use blacks as toys your the real racists. Lefties rely on a oppressed for votes the right rely on peoples success for votes why would the left want anybody to succeed there would be nobody left to vote for them.

 

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Originally posted by Cpfc1861

So you blame the police for arresting people who break the law but let the people who wrote said bill slide which results in arrested people go to prison. That makes no sense. The police have to arrest people for a crime if it's illegal whether they're black or white if they commit a crime the system decides the sentence. Biden was the main man who created the system you are against Trump rewrote the bill so more people (mainly blacks) get 2nd chances. Your confused. I dont think you want the system to improve you just want your man in even if he makes life worse for blacks simply cos you hate the other man. You lefties use blacks as toys your the real racists. Lefties rely on a oppressed for votes the right rely on peoples success for votes why would the left want anybody to succeed there would be nobody left to vote for them.

Do you actually read what I write, or are you just unable to comprehend it?

I am not blaming the Police, individually or collectively. Playing the blame game is pointless. No-one is doing these things deliberately. What has gradually become understood is that our society, of which the Police are a part, has systemic built-in racist prejudice which impacts everything.

Most of us, whatever our backgrounds, are unaware of it but it is demonstrated in threads like these all the time.

The Police, being on the front line, are more often in the spotlight than most of us are.

It's not simply a question of who breaks the law gets punished. It's who gets targetted as suspects and who gets ignored because of inbuilt prejudices. It's about the way suspects are handled and whether cases get brought in front of Judges or allowed to walk away with warnings.

Biden did not, could not and would not write any such law. That politically he might have supported or even sponsored something is an entirely different issue which would need to be seen in the context that prevailed at the time.

For the umpteenth time. I am not a "leftie". I have no sympathy at all for left-wing politics. I am a social democrat who believes in justice for all. I am not a reactionary advocate of right-wing
politics.

 


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