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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Jul 20 10.40am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Employees are now starting to realise what the new world of the virus means.

'They said I'd be cleaning toilets so I quit'

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Woman who worked in the Safari Park gift shop on her return to work is told she is now a cleaner.

Whilst I feel sorry for her to a point I am afraid that across the country staff are now being told to double up. Tesco has sacked the cleaning firm for it's Metro stores and told the staff they will now have to do it, harsh but this is the reality of the crisis.

One comment made me laugh from a clothing store employee "Cleaning is a skilled job". Err no it's not, at least not in a clothing store it maybe in a hospital but that is a different level entirely.

It's not just the shop staff I saw a comment that if staff can work from home and don't need to go into the office then why can't those jobs be done in another country, ouch.

Sadly we should expect to see a lot more of this.

Edited by Badger11 (24 Jul 2020 10.41am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Employees are now starting to realise what the new world of the virus means.

'They said I'd be cleaning toilets so I quit'

[Link]

Woman who worked in the Safari Park gift shop on her return to work is told she is now a cleaner.

Whilst I feel sorry for her to a point I am afraid that across the country staff are now being told to double up. Tesco has sacked the cleaning firm for it's Metro stores and told the staff they will now have to do it, harsh but this is the reality of the crisis.

One comment made me laugh from a clothing store employee "Cleaning is a skilled job". Err no it's not, at least not in a clothing store it maybe in a hospital but that is a different level entirely.

It's not just the shop staff I saw a comment that if staff can work from home and don't need to go into the office then why can't those jobs be done in another country, ouch.

Sadly we should expect to see a lot more of this.

Edited by Badger11 (24 Jul 2020 10.41am)

Wow, so Tescos who have not suffered one jot in the crisis as they have never been closed and kept selling out of food and other supplies because they were so busy, is cutting back? Probably missed their trillion pounds of profit target for the last quarter!

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jul 20 11.19am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Interestingly, various recent studies have suggested that 'viral load' may be a component of Covid-19. As in if you get a minor infection after trying to protect yourself it might mean that you breeze through it compared to if you're huffed it into your lungs like a good'un... with masks being the defining difference. There are many such examples of this. For example [Link] It's an area of significant research right now and certainly something worth thinking about.

"The company said that tests of its facilities in northwest Arkansas showed that 481 employees, or 13% of 3,748 employees, had tested positive. The company said 455 of those employees (95%) were asymptomatic."

This is not by any measure anything like the asymptomatic rate in random tests of the population. These are the results in environments of people where wearing masks is a requirement and that is something worth thinking about.

There is a lot we still don't know about this virus, so ask yourself, would you rather be right on a message board or wrong to the detriment of family members health or even lives? In the big picture, the idea of wearing a mask in a shop during pandemic is sensible, not 'fascism'. I would rather you consider that fact now, than at a future time of regret and sorrow.


Edited by BlueJay (24 Jul 2020 4.06am)

After 4 months and more I’m still waiting for the ‘carnage’ in supermarkets with staff and their families and families of families falling sick and dead. The same ‘carnage’ at the beaches but not at the riots or block party raves.

The irresponsible way the government are lulling vulnerable people into a false sense of security because they now feel safe with face cloths loosely protected ver the public’s muzzles is shocking. I experienced this last night. I thought I was in Eastbourne a few decades back. Oh but the virus is non existent anyway. Work that one out. A test of our compliance for a few reasons.

We’re into herd immunity anyway and this way unofficially we argue amongst ourselves instead of with the government or supermarket staff whose bodies and their family haven’t been piled up outside hospitals. Another moronic accusation I keep reading.

The best one I heard recently was someone say non mask wearer’s or anti Vaxers shouldn’t be entitled to medical care. I pulled the sanctimonious bint up on this face to face and she had nowhere to go. Why should I have a vaccine that isn’t proven to be safe? Fine if you’re vulnerable or old and the risk reward makes sense. And the mask she had was pointless so pretty easy to rubbish something virtuous or just to get you into a shop, because guess what, she can’t breathe without a more effective tight one.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 Jul 2020 11.48am)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jul 20 11.31am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Cleaning duties in small businesses or small premises is fair enough. You’re also more likely to be cleaning things only you use yourself or yourselves often.

It’s the big premises I have an issue with. A place with lots of people working there shouldn’t be getting staff to clean anything other than what they’ve just dropped or spilled. And they’re more likely to be in a bad state. Places with fewer people stay cleaner because they either feel more responsible or will feel more ashamed or embarrassed when they get found out.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jul 20 11.41am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Interestingly, various recent studies have suggested that 'viral load' may be a component of Covid-19. As in if you get a minor infection after trying to protect yourself it might mean that you breeze through it compared to if you're huffed it into your lungs like a good'un... with masks being the defining difference. There are many such examples of this. For example [Link] It's an area of significant research right now and certainly something worth thinking about.

"The company said that tests of its facilities in northwest Arkansas showed that 481 employees, or 13% of 3,748 employees, had tested positive. The company said 455 of those employees (95%) were asymptomatic."

This is not by any measure anything like the asymptomatic rate in random tests of the population. These are the results in environments of people where wearing masks is a requirement and that is something worth thinking about.

There is a lot we still don't know about this virus, so ask yourself, would you rather be right on a message board or wrong to the detriment of family members health or even lives? In the big picture, the idea of wearing a mask in a shop during pandemic is sensible, not 'fascism'. I would rather you consider that fact now, than at a future time of regret and sorrow.


Edited by BlueJay (24 Jul 2020 4.06am)

Anyway, who are we to think we can defy nature, the virus dying out or herd immunity? We made the mistake of not closing the airports or not locking everyone in their homes completely. The rest is just delaying or failing in trying to suppress a virus that is running its course no matter what.

The food places are a problem because they work so close and so long together. The virus could be on packaging or most likely just one person not following the hygiene guidance outside of work or social distancing who brings it in. These places have a lot of uninformed or poorly educated, illiterate people. I’m not making my decisions based on a food production line.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 24 Jul 20 2.47pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Anyway, who are we to think we can defy nature, the virus dying out or herd immunity? We made the mistake of not closing the airports or not locking everyone in their homes completely. The rest is just delaying or failing in trying to suppress a virus that is running its course no matter what.

The food places are a problem because they work so close and so long together. The virus could be on packaging or most likely just one person not following the hygiene guidance outside of work or social distancing who brings it in. These places have a lot of uninformed or poorly educated, illiterate people. I’m not making my decisions based on a food production line.

Nature went out of the window when we started sitting in flying tubes in the sky, and beaming messages across the world at the press of a button . I certainly don't anticipate covid-19 going away anytime soon though. Doing our best to protect the most vulnerable while also getting the economy back up is as good as it gets. Part of that involves trying to at least somewhat keep the numbers under control. Where that isn't happening there are or will be further lockdowns, and people who would otherwise be saved being turned away from hopsitals. I want to avoid all of that so feel that we currently have the right balance.

We also do not fully know the long term effects of covid-19 on health. Nor do we know how long immunity lasts, so there are question marks over herd immunity too. It's no doubt a difficult situation no matter what approach we take, because there is no good outcome as such with a pandemic. The NZ approach is perhaps the most interesting one, because depending on how long it takes for treatment improvements or a vaccine to appear, it will either be seen as a disaster or a masterstroke.

Aside from the impact on health and the economy, when this is all over there will be a lot of data to hand, on different approaches, medical advancements made, and so on. That will useful for the future.


Edited by BlueJay (24 Jul 2020 2.49pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jul 20 3.26pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Nature went out of the window when we started sitting in flying tubes in the sky, and beaming messages across the world at the press of a button . I certainly don't anticipate covid-19 going away anytime soon though. Doing our best to protect the most vulnerable while also getting the economy back up is as good as it gets. Part of that involves trying to at least somewhat keep the numbers under control. Where that isn't happening there are or will be further lockdowns, and people who would otherwise be saved being turned away from hopsitals. I want to avoid all of that so feel that we currently have the right balance.

We also do not fully know the long term effects of covid-19 on health. Nor do we know how long immunity lasts, so there are question marks over herd immunity too. It's no doubt a difficult situation no matter what approach we take, because there is no good outcome as such with a pandemic. The NZ approach is perhaps the most interesting one, because depending on how long it takes for treatment improvements or a vaccine to appear, it will either be seen as a disaster or a masterstroke.

Aside from the impact on health and the economy, when this is all over there will be a lot of data to hand, on different approaches, medical advancements made, and so on. That will useful for the future.


Edited by BlueJay (24 Jul 2020 2.49pm)

About 8 people died of Covid yesterday wasn’t it? Well 8 had it on the death certificate. We’ve recently had more cases from more tests and mainly younger healthy people. Now the authorities convince old and vulnerable it’ll be safe for them because of untested cloth masks that aren’t worn correctly.

I’ve heard a few of the new celebrity doctors claim masks are going to be long term. Might be if you choose to. Only not if you’re eating or drinking. Just if you pass someone a metre away in a shop that has its footfall limited at the front door. On public transport I get it. This is for no other reason than to give confidence to some. Some who shouldn’t be taking the risks. The others are spineless who I’d rather stay in anyway.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 26 Jul 20 5.47am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

About 8 people died of Covid yesterday wasn’t it? Well 8 had it on the death certificate. We’ve recently had more cases from more tests and mainly younger healthy people. Now the authorities convince old and vulnerable it’ll be safe for them because of untested cloth masks that aren’t worn correctly.

I’ve heard a few of the new celebrity doctors claim masks are going to be long term. Might be if you choose to. Only not if you’re eating or drinking. Just if you pass someone a metre away in a shop that has its footfall limited at the front door. On public transport I get it. This is for no other reason than to give confidence to some. Some who shouldn’t be taking the risks. The others are spineless who I’d rather stay in anyway.

Yes, we're in the clear now. It's party time.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 Jul 20 10.53am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Good to see Spain doing it right. Strict lockdown. Well as strict as it can be without allotted time slots to the local shop only and people living in blocks of flats. Draconian rules on face coverings followed by outbreaks in cases and foreigners cancelling their holidays en masse. Make sure you wear your hanky.

 


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Many of us criticised the government when they never locked down the airports early on so I welcome the decision to tighten up on people coming from Spain.

I know it's a pain for people already out there or those who have holidays booked and now cancelled but we can't have it both ways.

Some of the politicians and media complaining now were complaining about not stopping people coming here previously.

 


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Mounting evidence shows masks may help avoid severe illness, even if you get COVID-19 - [Link]

"Gandhi noted another study, which examined passengers and crew on an isolated cruise ship in Argentina during the COVID-19 pandemic. All passengers and crew received masks, and out of the 217 passengers and crew on board, 81% of those infected with COVID-19 were asymptomatic.

Gandhi also cited an example where more than 100 workers at a seafood processing plant in Oregon were confirmed positive for COVID-19. Universal masking was required at the plant, and the vast majority — 95% of the workers — were asymptomatic.

The same happened two weeks ago at a Tyson chicken plant in Arkansas, where universal masking was required. In this case, out of 481 people who were infected, 455 were asymptomatic, which also led to a 95% asymptomatic rate.

The studies highlight that universal masking may help achieve rates of higher asymptomatic infection. In a viral pandemic, Gandhi said, one of the goals is to find ways to move toward milder disease manifestations."

Fascinating data is emerging and gaining momentum in this area, considering it's something that's not been widely considered until recently. It's also been demonstrated in animal models.

Edited by BlueJay (26 Jul 2020 7.18pm)

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Many of us criticised the government when they never locked down the airports early on so I welcome the decision to tighten up on people coming from Spain.

I know it's a pain for people already out there or those who have holidays booked and now cancelled but we can't have it both ways.

Some of the politicians and media complaining now were complaining about not stopping people coming here previously.

It’s the tarring of an entire country and its outlying islands with the same brush I don’t get. Mainland Spain and the Canaries are 700 miles apart and yet a decision taken because of something happening in northern Spain affects those coming home from the Canary Islands where they have had very few cases. That kind of logic just baffles me and you’ll have some people that will be seriously out of pocket because they have to self isolate for 2 weeks when they return.

 

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