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Spiderman Horsham 29 Nov 20 9.54am
Originally posted by Badger11 I bang on about this every year. Many low paid workers have to work shift often late Christmas Eve and then early Boxing day or the day after. It must be a nightmare for them if they have to travel and get back in time for their next shift. M&S refused to change my shift 3 years on the trot. It would make more sense for the rail companies to pick a weekend in January when nobody has any money and do the work then. If properly advertised and explained I think most people would rather accept an inconvenience then than over the major holidays. This year I would like to know what they have been doing during the lockdown. Totally agree. When my daughter was a student she worked p/t in Accessorize. She was told to work until 8pm Christmas Eve and return again 9am Boxing Day.
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Spiderman

Horsham 29 Nov 20 9.54am

Originally posted by Badger11

I bang on about this every year. Many low paid workers have to work shift often late Christmas Eve and then early Boxing day or the day after. It must be a nightmare for them if they have to travel and get back in time for their next shift.

M&S refused to change my shift 3 years on the trot.

It would make more sense for the rail companies to pick a weekend in January when nobody has any money and do the work then. If properly advertised and explained I think most people would rather accept an inconvenience then than over the major holidays.

This year I would like to know what they have been doing during the lockdown.

Totally agree. When my daughter was a student she worked p/t in Accessorize. She was told to work until 8pm Christmas Eve and return again 9am Boxing Day.

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Nov 20 10.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am really sorry to hear of your son's experience. So if I understand correctly he wasn't employed during the winter and about to be re-employed when the pandemic scuppered it. I am not an expert on Universal Credit but am aware of the difficulties and delays that some suffer. I would though have thought he ought to have been entitled both during last winter and right up to now. It's worth him asking! Everyone's experience obviously varies. I miss the pub and the company, but I'm walking more and socialising that way. The number of people running and cycling around here this year is quite remarkable. Thank you. He did not previously apply as he was lucky enough to have £6000 in savings, so therefore did not qualify ( maybe we are too honest and shouldn’t have divulged the savings!). These have now gone and therefore he has just applied, we await with anticipation. You are lucky to be able to walk/cycle locally. Our area is ok for such activities but my heart goes out to those in big towns/cities. Where cycling is probably more dangerous than Covid!
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Horsham 29 Nov 20 10.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am really sorry to hear of your son's experience. So if I understand correctly he wasn't employed during the winter and about to be re-employed when the pandemic scuppered it. I am not an expert on Universal Credit but am aware of the difficulties and delays that some suffer. I would though have thought he ought to have been entitled both during last winter and right up to now. It's worth him asking!

Everyone's experience obviously varies. I miss the pub and the company, but I'm walking more and socialising that way. The number of people running and cycling around here this year is quite remarkable.

Thank you. He did not previously apply as he was lucky enough to have £6000 in savings, so therefore did not qualify ( maybe we are too honest and shouldn’t have divulged the savings!). These have now gone and therefore he has just applied, we await with anticipation.
You are lucky to be able to walk/cycle locally. Our area is ok for such activities but my heart goes out to those in big towns/cities. Where cycling is probably more dangerous than Covid!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Nov 20 10.30am
Originally posted by Spiderman Thank you. He did not previously apply as he was lucky enough to have £6000 in savings, so therefore did not qualify ( maybe we are too honest and shouldn’t have divulged the savings!). These have now gone and therefore he has just applied, we await with anticipation. You are lucky to be able to walk/cycle locally. Our area is ok for such activities but my heart goes out to those in big towns/cities. Where cycling is probably more dangerous than Covid! Never tell them about savings. And don't feel guilty, it's your own tax money. There's plenty getting loads who've never paid any tax in their life. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Nov 20 10.30am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Never tell them about savings. And don't feel guilty, it's your own tax money. There's plenty getting loads who've never paid any tax in their life.

Red and Blue Army!

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Nov 20 11.27am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There will always be a few rogue "experts" who take a different approach. There are in most fields. On balance though the consensus view of the specialists in this field, both here and around the world supports what we are doing. So I would rather trust them than the ones cherry-picked by the amateurs on the Hol just because they happen to support their prejudices. The testing might not be perfect but it's useful in identifying where high risks exist and enabling interventions to dampen them down. It's purpose is not to provide 100% guidance to individuals. The hospitality industry, and it's staff must be adequately supported if they bear a disproportionate cost. Just because one sector of the economy gets hit harder than another is not an excuse for a lack of action. It's a reason to look after them properly. It's to ensure that cancer patients, and all the other treatments we rely on the NHS for, including elective surgery, don't get hit again that we are having to face these restrictions. There's not an endless supply of doctors and nurses available. If the need to treat people with C19 increases then surgical wards close just so the staff can be reallocated. The impact on mental health cannot be underestimated or ignored and I am quite sure it is all part of the overall equation when seeking the optimum solution. We all have a role to play in supporting those we know are isolated or otherwise vulnerable. I make phone calls to those I know, and arrange to meet people outside sometimes just to go for a walk together, socially distanced of course. Small things help and we can all do them. If however those with really severe mental health issues need clinical support we must make sure the NHS remains open to them. Swamping it with C19 won't do that. These ‘rogue experts’ as you, a wealthy retired man in tier 1 as if nothing is happening, describe them as, happen to have decades of experience in the fields in question. You just like large and undemocratic governments and political unions. They aren’t cherry picked by HOL but have gained a lot of nationwide attention because they expose the bull. You can argue that the PCR tests show areas where positive tests are high, but they’re bundled in to be reported as a total of national cases, even with 2-3 results from the same person. This is what was happening a month or so ago. High positive tests, minimal deaths. Now it’s respiratory illness season the deaths have risen. You keep saying those most affected and the hospitality industry must be supported. This isn’t a matter of covering £10 an hour for everyone. We’re talking about business owners, their businesses, the suppliers’ businesses and all the other contractors. The level of ‘support’ clearly won’t happen and will be unaffordable. It’ll be more like ‘Eat out to help out’ again or changes to taxes. That’ll only end up saving some. COYP
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Caterham 29 Nov 20 11.27am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There will always be a few rogue "experts" who take a different approach. There are in most fields. On balance though the consensus view of the specialists in this field, both here and around the world supports what we are doing.

So I would rather trust them than the ones cherry-picked by the amateurs on the Hol just because they happen to support their prejudices.

The testing might not be perfect but it's useful in identifying where high risks exist and enabling interventions to dampen them down. It's purpose is not to provide 100% guidance to individuals.

The hospitality industry, and it's staff must be adequately supported if they bear a disproportionate cost. Just because one sector of the economy gets hit harder than another is not an excuse for a lack of action. It's a reason to look after them properly.

It's to ensure that cancer patients, and all the other treatments we rely on the NHS for, including elective surgery, don't get hit again that we are having to face these restrictions. There's not an endless supply of doctors and nurses available. If the need to treat people with C19 increases then surgical wards close just so the staff can be reallocated.

The impact on mental health cannot be underestimated or ignored and I am quite sure it is all part of the overall equation when seeking the optimum solution.

We all have a role to play in supporting those we know are isolated or otherwise vulnerable. I make phone calls to those I know, and arrange to meet people outside sometimes just to go for a walk together, socially distanced of course. Small things help and we can all do them.

If however those with really severe mental health issues need clinical support we must make sure the NHS remains open to them. Swamping it with C19 won't do that.

These ‘rogue experts’ as you, a wealthy retired man in tier 1 as if nothing is happening, describe them as, happen to have decades of experience in the fields in question. You just like large and undemocratic governments and political unions. They aren’t cherry picked by HOL but have gained a lot of nationwide attention because they expose the bull.

You can argue that the PCR tests show areas where positive tests are high, but they’re bundled in to be reported as a total of national cases, even with 2-3 results from the same person. This is what was happening a month or so ago. High positive tests, minimal deaths. Now it’s respiratory illness season the deaths have risen.

You keep saying those most affected and the hospitality industry must be supported. This isn’t a matter of covering £10 an hour for everyone. We’re talking about business owners, their businesses, the suppliers’ businesses and all the other contractors. The level of ‘support’ clearly won’t happen and will be unaffordable. It’ll be more like ‘Eat out to help out’ again or changes to taxes. That’ll only end up saving some.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Nov 20 11.28am
Originally posted by Badger11 I have a birthday soon a couple of lady friends wanted to organise something for me. Pictures please. COYP
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Caterham 29 Nov 20 11.28am

Originally posted by Badger11

I have a birthday soon a couple of lady friends wanted to organise something for me.

Pictures please.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Nov 20 11.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No it's not a lockdown! Not like we had before. The schools remain open and next week all the shops will re-open. More activities remain active and people are working. Life is being restricted, primarily socially. No-one likes it, but it's not going to hurt too much not being able to go to the pub or to watch football. It's survivable and temporary. People being isolated and vulnerable is the biggest concern I see. I am only too aware of the impact on people's mental health as it has hit my own family. One of my daughters was admitted as an emergency a few weeks ago. Thank goodness that the NHS was there for her. The issues of which area is in which Tier and where the boundaries are completely separate arguments, which I won't pass comment on as I am not party to all the various considerations. We expected to be in Tier 2 and anticipate being moved up in December, so plenty of uncertainty remains for us too. I am sorry to hear about your son, but presumably he got some redundancy payments and now universal credit. He is also safe and being cared for. He and you aren't alone and I know it's tough for everyone but things will get better. We just need to stay together. Whether points are valid, or not, will always be a matter of opinion, just as whether something is rude or straightforward. Lancaster has very very low cases and is in tier 3 but the next door town/borough has very very high cases and is in tier 2. I might have the towns the wrong way round but this has happened. Oxted is in Surrey and is in tier 2. A couple of miles on the A25 and Westerham is in tier 3 because it’s in Kent. Guess how long it takes to get to Swale or Thanet on the east coast of Kent or Maidstone? Guess what happens in the evenings and weekends on the A25? Everyone drives to Oxted to eat and drink. COYP
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Caterham 29 Nov 20 11.35am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No it's not a lockdown! Not like we had before. The schools remain open and next week all the shops will re-open. More activities remain active and people are working. Life is being restricted, primarily socially. No-one likes it, but it's not going to hurt too much not being able to go to the pub or to watch football. It's survivable and temporary.

People being isolated and vulnerable is the biggest concern I see. I am only too aware of the impact on people's mental health as it has hit my own family. One of my daughters was admitted as an emergency a few weeks ago. Thank goodness that the NHS was there for her.

The issues of which area is in which Tier and where the boundaries are completely separate arguments, which I won't pass comment on as I am not party to all the various considerations. We expected to be in Tier 2 and anticipate being moved up in December, so plenty of uncertainty remains for us too.

I am sorry to hear about your son, but presumably he got some redundancy payments and now universal credit. He is also safe and being cared for. He and you aren't alone and I know it's tough for everyone but things will get better. We just need to stay together.

Whether points are valid, or not, will always be a matter of opinion, just as whether something is rude or straightforward.

Lancaster has very very low cases and is in tier 3 but the next door town/borough has very very high cases and is in tier 2. I might have the towns the wrong way round but this has happened.

Oxted is in Surrey and is in tier 2. A couple of miles on the A25 and Westerham is in tier 3 because it’s in Kent. Guess how long it takes to get to Swale or Thanet on the east coast of Kent or Maidstone? Guess what happens in the evenings and weekends on the A25? Everyone drives to Oxted to eat and drink.

COYP

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Teddy Eagle 29 Nov 20 11.44am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Identifying issues doesn't solve them. There is no perfect solution and no-one wants to damage the economy or put people in one room flats through hard times. Finding ways to mitigate the impact on the most vulnerable is clearly needed. And of course the longer it goes on the more some people will resist them. You have only to read the comments here to know that. Keeping that number to the lowest possible, either through education or control is the answer. Doing what we are doing is destructive and painful. Not doing it would be worse. Both in my view and, it seems, in the majority of expert opinion not just in the UK but around the world. This is the point; lots of people don’t see any mitigation. In the Eighties many unemployed people went into the service industries which are now laying them off. This is why they are afraid - not of the virus but of how they’re going to get a job when this is finally over and their bills and mortgages still have to be paid.
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29 Nov 20 11.44am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Identifying issues doesn't solve them. There is no perfect solution and no-one wants to damage the economy or put people in one room flats through hard times. Finding ways to mitigate the impact on the most vulnerable is clearly needed.

And of course the longer it goes on the more some people will resist them. You have only to read the comments here to know that. Keeping that number to the lowest possible, either through education or control is the answer.

Doing what we are doing is destructive and painful. Not doing it would be worse. Both in my view and, it seems, in the majority of expert opinion not just in the UK but around the world.

This is the point; lots of people don’t see any mitigation. In the Eighties many unemployed people went into the service industries which are now laying them off. This is why they are afraid - not of the virus but of how they’re going to get a job when this is finally over and their bills and mortgages still have to be paid.

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Nov 20 12.05pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Pictures please. Rudi, indeed
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Pictures please.

Rudi, indeed

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Nov 20 12.08pm
Mrs ok. Now out of isolation and fine. Still very tired but no major issues. Me n boys still isolating until tuesday midnight unless we show symptoms. Be careful please as this does screw you mentally somewhat.
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The garden of England 29 Nov 20 12.08pm

Mrs ok.
Now out of isolation and fine. Still very tired but no major issues.
Me n boys still isolating until tuesday midnight unless we show symptoms.
Be careful please as this does screw you mentally somewhat.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Nov 20 12.28pm
Originally posted by cryrst Mrs ok. Now out of isolation and fine. Still very tired but no major issues. Me n boys still isolating until tuesday midnight unless we show symptoms. Be careful please as this does screw you mentally somewhat. Is it the worry of what’s developing and how far it’ll go? If there was no social media, no 24 hour news or even no tv, would you have been as concerned? Or is it the exhaustion with or without the media? People had this before they knew what it was before spring 2020. Glad you’re all well. The house I know of who all had it are all fine too, old lady included. I’ve heard of quite a few who’ve had it snd only one had it pretty bad on the throat glands and eyes. Eyes sounded pretty nasty actually. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 29 Nov 20 12.28pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Mrs ok.
Now out of isolation and fine. Still very tired but no major issues.
Me n boys still isolating until tuesday midnight unless we show symptoms.
Be careful please as this does screw you mentally somewhat.

Is it the worry of what’s developing and how far it’ll go?

If there was no social media, no 24 hour news or even no tv, would you have been as concerned?

Or is it the exhaustion with or without the media? People had this before they knew what it was before spring 2020.

Glad you’re all well. The house I know of who all had it are all fine too, old lady included.

I’ve heard of quite a few who’ve had it snd only one had it pretty bad on the throat glands and eyes. Eyes sounded pretty nasty actually.

COYP

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Teddy Eagle 29 Nov 20 12.39pm
Originally posted by cryrst Mrs ok. Now out of isolation and fine. Still very tired but no major issues. Me n boys still isolating until tuesday midnight unless we show symptoms. Be careful please as this does screw you mentally somewhat. Glad it’s working out. I know someone who’s been laid low for three weeks with it and the doctor reckons maybe another 12 weeks to get back properly. At least this year’s flu jab doesn’t seem to cause any reaction so that’s good to get.
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29 Nov 20 12.39pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Glad it’s working out. I know someone who’s been laid low for three weeks with it and the doctor reckons maybe another 12 weeks to get back properly.
At least this year’s flu jab doesn’t seem to cause any reaction so that’s good to get.

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chris123 hove actually 29 Nov 20 12.40pm
Originally posted by cryrst Mrs ok. Now out of isolation and fine. Still very tired but no major issues. Me n boys still isolating until tuesday midnight unless we show symptoms. Be careful please as this does screw you mentally somewhat. Good news!!!!!
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Originally posted by cryrst

Good news!!!!!

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