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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Jan 21 4.00pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

So the government aren't allowed to be criticised for their part in overseeing over 100,000 deaths?

I'm not crowing whatsoever. I'm unspeakably angry.

And Sir “splinters in my backside” Starmer would have done a whole lot better. Easy to criticise from the outside

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 27 Jan 21 4.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

So the government aren't allowed to be criticised for their part in overseeing over 100,000 deaths?

I'm not crowing whatsoever. I'm unspeakably angry.

You're always angry.

Besides the government has followed SAGE or that sect of data modelers and scientists that you guys sheep for pretty much all the way.

That's what the inquiry will show.

This figure isn't even accurate as it includes all deaths within 28 days, plus wasn't it the case that financial inducements were given early on to register a covid death? Also, dying 'with' covid, not 'of' was also included which also muddies that statistic.

Personally I think you're all nuts and you have overseen the largest transfer of wealth from the working class to corporations in history.

But hey, you stay angry....personally I don't think the anger will ever be really real until you're forced to go from two cars to one....or downsize your abode.

Which, I don't wish for you by the way.


Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jan 2021 4.02pm)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Jan 21 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Should the NHS be criticised for their part?

[Link]

A friends father died last week of COVID. He went into hospital for a hip operation and caught it there. The people who run the hospitals should take some responsibility.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 27 Jan 21 4.14pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You're always angry.

Besides the government has followed SAGE or that sect of data modelers and scientists that you guys sheep for pretty much all the way.

That's what the inquiry will show.

This figure isn't even accurate as it includes all deaths within 28 days, plus wasn't it the case that financial inducements were given early on to register a covid death? Also, dying 'with' covid, not 'of' was also included which also muddies that statistic.

Personally I think you're all nuts and you have overseen the largest transfer of wealth from the working class to corporations in history.

But hey, you stay angry....personally I don't think the anger will ever be really real until you're forced to go from two cars to one....or downsize your abode.

Which, I don't wish for you by the way.


Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jan 2021 4.02pm)

But they haven't though, have they? They've delayed taking any recommended action until it's literally too late and the horse has bolted to every part of the country.

They didn't take it seriously enough to start with by which stage it had already taken a stranglehold on the country and all the way through it has been a deadly combination of delay, indecision, muddled messaging and lack of clear leadership.

You downplay the figures but look at excess deaths over the past 12 months. That's a hell of a lot of people dying for other reasons who just so happened to have Covid at some point in the last 28 days.

You mention transfer of wealth - just how many billions have we given again in contracts to those with links to the Tory party? At least they've lined their pockets from it.

Of course the economic damage is going to hurt for a good while. But I'd rather be poorer than be dead.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 27 Jan 21 4.16pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Should the NHS be criticised for their part?

[Link]

When hospitals are overrun with Covid patients of course there is going to be transmission.

Maybe do a 24 hour shift at your local hospital and see if you still want to criticise them.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 27 Jan 21 4.17pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

And Sir “splinters in my backside” Starmer would have done a whole lot better. Easy to criticise from the outside


The government have implemented a number of his suggestions - albeit about two weeks after he suggested them and again, it was too late to do anything else.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Jan 21 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

When hospitals are overrun with Covid patients of course there is going to be transmission.

Maybe do a 24 hour shift at your local hospital and see if you still want to criticise them.

Why? How much time do you need in Government to criticise them?

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 27 Jan 21 4.28pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Why? How much time do you need in Government to criticise them?

I'd imagine about about 10 minutes in Boris Johnson's company.

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 27 Jan 21 4.29pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

400-person wedding party in Stamford Hill broken up by police - [Link]

It's ironic that a wedding is an event designed to bring both both family and community closer, and yet they've recklessly held this party at such a time that will likely result in the knock on effect of multiple deaths.

I've been thinking about this type of thing. Concluded that anyone who organises or attends something such as a wedding, baby shower, rave, multiple get together of any sort has chosen to do so - no one's forced them. So there's no issues around lack of choice or freedom to choose.
By the same token, anyone who chooses to do one of these things also doesn't care about catching Covid or care about spreading it. By extension, they don't care about the NHS failing either.

So, having made their choices, if they are caught in the act, they shouldn't bother fining them or trying to "educate" them. They should simply be locked into whatever venue they've chosen to attend for a minimum of two weeks until they're all clear of whatever it is they aren't worried about catching. Feed and water them by all means, but don't let them leave.

If any of them then catch it, they won't care as they've chosen to be there, and won't care about being treated. In choosing to organise or attend the event, the only risk you're taking is that you have to stay with like-minded people and share the facilities for the equivalent length of a Summer holiday. If you lose any earnings during that time you've chosen to take that risk on as well.

If you don't like the sound of any of that happening to you, then don't go in the first place. It's your choice.

Can't see how anyone can argue with the fairness in that as they get the chance to rave and party and the rest of us remain protected from them with the added bonus that it'll speed herd immunity among the Covidiot community.

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 27 Jan 21 4.30pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

The Government would struggle to have followed Scientific advice if we are all honest.
It has been varied, changes every day and there are more Scientific opinions than you can shake a stick at!

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Jan 21 4.33pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

I'd imagine about about 10 minutes in Boris Johnson's company.

Just make sure it’s not during one of his “special naps” .

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 Jan 21 4.37pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

100,000 is the capacity of Wembley Stadium in a population of 65 million people.

So while serious it is not much worse than a bad flu epedemic.

Certainly Johnson thought so, and it interfered with the tories brexit dream, they just thought it was foreign and unlikely here damaging the economy etc.

If it hadn't been for Macron threatening to shut the border altogether Johnson would have carried on ignoring the reality from Italy etc. and we would indeed now be looking at pandemic figures.

The Asian flu epedemic of 1957, completely ignored by MacMillans Tory government, was left to NHS doctors to manage and claimed over 80,000 lives.

The difference I fear is there is not a foreseeable end to this and we will have to accept fundamental changes in our lives.

But it is very much a case of work it out for yourself.

Governments are seriously damaging to your health.


 

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