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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 04 Feb 21 11.51pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Poor old Corona beer suffered though. I think most of us can agree that it's crap beer anyway, regardless of its name. I agree about the beer. It's almost as bad as Budweiser. The US one and not the real one. They don't even taste good ice cold. Real ale for me. Lots of hops, room temperature, low levels of CO2, thin glass, good company, no lockdown. I can dream!
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 04 Feb 21 11.54pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
2.2 million people have died. If you think attributing blame to the country responsible for the origin of the virus is so wrong then your priorities need some serious thought. That's a big number Ted. But in context, it is extremely small. If you compare millions/billions to time, 2.2m seconds is about a fortnight. Whereas 7.7b secs is about two and a half centuries. These are rough averages though, so don't quote me.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Feb 21 11.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I agree about the beer. It's almost as bad as Budweiser. The US one and not the real one. They don't even taste good ice cold. Real ale for me. Lots of hops, room temperature, low levels of CO2, thin glass, good company, no lockdown. I can dream! Jeremy Corbyn going like a woodpecker between your knees.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Feb 21 11.58pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Jeremy Corbyn going like a woodpecker between your knees. Not a chance of that. He wouldn't get inside my door let alone anywhere else. I detest the man. He, above all others, was responsible for the mess we are now in as a consequence of our 2016 stupidity.
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Teddy Eagle  05 Feb 21 12.48am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not for a moment underestimating the seriousness of the pandemic or the importance of understanding how it started so that the global community can learn the lessons and take steps to avoid other outbreaks in the future. Once again though you are jumping to conclusions and attributing blame. If you think that making assumptions prior to the facts being established is wise then it is your priorities that need serious thought. The priority is to discover all that happened and to do so in a way in which China fully co-operates. Blaming her before the truth is known will likely make her defensive and uncooperative. Indeed it probably already has. Trump playing politics with the pandemic has done us all a grave disservice and those who fall in line with him are not helping. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Feb 2021 11.54pm) This pandemic started in China. All that’s being established is how.
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BlueJay  UK 05 Feb 21 12.54am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
That's a big number Ted. But in context, it is extremely small. If you compare millions/billions to time, 2.2m seconds is about a fortnight. Whereas 7.7b secs is about two and a half centuries. These are rough averages though, so don't quote me. It's a big number is the point. Sure it's not in comparison to the population of the entire planet, but if we need to use that as a measure it's proof enough that it's a bad situation. Besides, that's the current number, worldwide it will clearly get much higher unfortunately. Then again a few months ago anyone who didn't think that the pandemic had 'ended' in May was 'brainwashed' according to you and the lamentable attitude you brought. You've certainly had your self indulgent pound of flesh during this misery that's for sure. At least the endless Miss Marple style 'deserted testing centres!' contributions have dried up now. Think twice before continuing with an unnecessary 'world population' perspective as yet another way of pointlessly diminishing others losses.
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| Teddy Eagle 05 Feb 21 12.55am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
That's a big number Ted. But in context, it is extremely small. If you compare millions/billions to time, 2.2m seconds is about a fortnight. Whereas 7.7b secs is about two and a half centuries. These are rough averages though, so don't quote me. Hmmm....the pubs have been shut for 8 months out of 11. That is a ball achingly large number. In fact Graham’s number pales into insignificance by comparison.
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| cryrst The garden of England 05 Feb 21 6.13am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
That's a big number Ted. But in context, it is extremely small. If you compare millions/billions to time, 2.2m seconds is about a fortnight. Whereas 7.7b secs is about two and a half centuries. These are rough averages though, so don't quote me. And like time, you cannot get lives back!
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| Eaglecoops CR3 05 Feb 21 10.57am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not for a moment underestimating the seriousness of the pandemic or the importance of understanding how it started so that the global community can learn the lessons and take steps to avoid other outbreaks in the future. Once again though you are jumping to conclusions and attributing blame. If you think that making assumptions prior to the facts being established is wise then it is your priorities that need serious thought. The priority is to discover all that happened and to do so in a way in which China fully co-operates. Blaming her before the truth is known will likely make her defensive and uncooperative. Indeed it probably already has. Trump playing politics with the pandemic has done us all a grave disservice and those who fall in line with him are not helping. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Feb 2021 11.54pm) There is not a chance in hell of finding out the truth. The Chinese have had plenty of time to lead the WHO team down any path they choose. There are only four possible scenarios for the origins of this virus: 1) It was being created in a lab as a weapon perhaps and released accidentally. The coincidence of a virus laboratory in very close proximity to the original outbreak and numerous stories of doctors and scientists going missing or dying means we cannot rule out 1) or 2) or 3) entirely although the most likely origins are from 4). The Chinese will never reveal the full extent of what was being studied in that laboratory so this WHO inspection can only ever be seen as a push down the direction that China wishes to lead us in. I cannot help thinking that if there was nothing to hide why wasn’t an immediate investigation permitted. This along with other unanswered questions is why many distrust the Chinese over this and will be the primary reason why no one will believe the outcome when it is finally published.
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| Matov 05 Feb 21 11.41am |
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Suspect a mix of 2 & 3. My understanding, and gleaned from some serious people, is that when the virus is studied there is something in the protein strand that seems to suggest the part of it that is to do with how a virus replicates/transmits looks 'older' than it should. How you might expect a new virus to evolve over a 30 year period rather than just emerge. THere was a Sunday Times article last year that put forward a theory that the virus itself may have been first discovered about 10 or so years ago. Some guys had been sent into an old mine working to clear out Bat poo and all fell ill. They were isolated and treated. It's possible that this was how the virus ended up in the Wuhan laboratory. Of course all speculation but there is definitely something odd about Covid 19 in viral terms, specifically in how it spreads in the manner it does. On the whole new viruses emerge pretty deadly but also difficult to transmit. Since their only purpose is to replicate, the evolutionary pattern is for them to become less dangerous but more easily transmittable. Covid-19 appears to buck this later part.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Feb 21 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Suspect a mix of 2 & 3. My understanding, and gleaned from some serious people, is that when the virus is studied there is something in the protein strand that seems to suggest the part of it that is to do with how a virus replicates/transmits looks 'older' than it should. How you might expect a new virus to evolve over a 30 year period rather than just emerge. THere was a Sunday Times article last year that put forward a theory that the virus itself may have been first discovered about 10 or so years ago. Some guys had been sent into an old mine working to clear out Bat poo and all fell ill. They were isolated and treated. It's possible that this was how the virus ended up in the Wuhan laboratory. Of course all speculation but there is definitely something odd about Covid 19 in viral terms, specifically in how it spreads in the manner it does. On the whole new viruses emerge pretty deadly but also difficult to transmit. Since their only purpose is to replicate, the evolutionary pattern is for them to become less dangerous but more easily transmittable. Covid-19 appears to buck this later part. I will say that if a virus is created or modified in a lab, then it is pretty hard to hide that fact. We are talking about splicing it's genetic sequence and adding and taking away from it to create what we like. Looking at this through the correct microscope (expensive and relatively out of reach to the average person as they are) will reveal obvious signs of manipulation. If it's a created or modified virus, frankly, it would be obvious. This is not stating that it isn't, but a lot of people would have to be covering this up. Or the Chinese are way ahead of us.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Feb 21 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I agree about the beer. It's almost as bad as Budweiser. The US one and not the real one. They don't even taste good ice cold. Real ale for me. Lots of hops, room temperature, low levels of CO2, thin glass, good company, no lockdown. I can dream! Real ale myself, I think most on this forum are. It's an area of agreement for us. I have to say though, and this is sacrelege to some, I prefer it slightly cold. Not chilled as such, but not really room temperature. More like cellar cold. I remember the split in CAMRA over this important issue.
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