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View Rubin's Profile Rubin Flag 11 Feb 21 9.54am Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Does anyone know the strength of evidence for asymptomatic spread (spread without symptoms) for this virus?

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2021 7.04am)

A study done in China involving just under 10,000,000 participants found 300 asymptomatic cases, none of which were infectious.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Feb 21 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Does anyone know the strength of evidence for asymptomatic spread (spread without symptoms) for this virus?

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2021 7.04am)

I do not believe in this hysteria over asymptomatic spread, but I do, or I’m careful at least with pre-symptomatic spread. The thing there is going about usual activities until the vulnerable are vaccinated, you can’t tell who is asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic or early symptomatic, so you can’t change for one or the other even if you wanted to.

The asymptomatic fear spreading doesn’t help when trying to come out of this or convincing the hysterical lot life has to continue. And of course there’s the figures and the whole narrative running on asymptomatic infections. All fvcking nonsense. It’ll be the first illness spread by people unaffected by it, when in truth the infected person has probably been somewhere or with someone who’s had symptoms during that time or maybe recently recovered.

 


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Thanks Rubin and Rudi: cogent observations.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I do not believe in this hysteria over asymptomatic spread, but I do, or I’m careful at least with pre-symptomatic spread. The thing there is going about usual activities until the vulnerable are vaccinated, you can’t tell who is asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic or early symptomatic, so you can’t change for one or the other even if you wanted to.

The asymptomatic fear spreading doesn’t help when trying to come out of this or convincing the hysterical lot life has to continue. And of course there’s the figures and the whole narrative running on asymptomatic infections. All fvcking nonsense. It’ll be the first illness spread by people unaffected by it, when in truth the infected person has probably been somewhere or with someone who’s had symptoms during that time or maybe recently recovered.

This makes sense. I've always worried about the period between infection and realising you're infected. Does make protective testing in some instances almost irrelevant as a result. Hence why it's better to simply view everyone as infected when out in public.

Very interesting article in wired recently about mutations, specifically the Kent variant. They think that the most likely source of the 17 (yes 17) rapid mutations that have caused the increased infectiousness was one person. Most likely to be immunosuppressed or incapable of destroying it from their body entirely, therefore allowing it to remain in the body for much, much longer giving it an opportunity to effectively mutate and 'better' the immune system.

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"People with weakened immune systems provide viruses like Sars-CoV-2 with a unique environment. Instead of clearing an infection quickly, an immunocompromised person might only partially wipe out an infection, leaving behind a population of genetically-hardier viruses that rebound and begin the cycle all over again. In these people, a virus can evolve at remarkable speed. “The whole time, their immune system is effectively beating [the virus] up. So the virus has a chance to learn how to live with the human immune system”

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Apparently some guy was s***ting out Poliovirus for 28 years because he had 'common variable immune deficiency, which decreases the number of antibodies in the blood and makes it harder for the body to fight off infections.'

They were genuinely concerned that he'd spark another Polio resurgence.

 


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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 12 Feb 21 6.56am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Thought there would have been some comment about Hancocks ludicrous 10 year jail term for not disclosing you have been to Portugal on holiday - it appears that there is massive unrest in the Tory Party and hopefully this is the start before the removal of Johnson & Hancock.

If he pushes back on the March 8th school opening we could see him replaced - I can only hope!

Sage now saying restrictions must continue even if everyone is vaxxed - if so what is the point of getting the vax?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Feb 21 9.10am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Thought there would have been some comment about Hancocks ludicrous 10 year jail term for not disclosing you have been to Portugal on holiday - it appears that there is massive unrest in the Tory Party and hopefully this is the start before the removal of Johnson & Hancock.

If he pushes back on the March 8th school opening we could see him replaced - I can only hope!

Sage now saying restrictions must continue even if everyone is vaxxed - if so what is the point of getting the vax?

They keep trying to extend the restrictions. Of course targets can slip but they’re now talking about October, with some restrictions continuing after that, by which time there will probably be another few variants causing concern and the most vulnerable will only be weeks away from needing their next jab. There was also advice about wearing two masks (a cloth one over the other).
Boris Gump needs to muzzle these “experts”.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

They keep trying to extend the restrictions. Of course targets can slip but they’re now talking about October, with some restrictions continuing after that, by which time there will probably be another few variants causing concern and the most vulnerable will only be weeks away from needing their next jab. There was also advice about wearing two masks (a cloth one over the other).
Boris Gump needs to muzzle these “experts”.

The situation is rapidly becoming farcical. Double masks my a@se as Jim of the Royal Family would say. I genuinely think the government have completely lost the plot.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Feb 21 9.26am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The situation is rapidly becoming farcical. Double masks my a@se as Jim of the Royal Family would say. I genuinely think the government have completely lost the plot.

There must come a tipping point where collateral damage from lockdown surpasses its usefulness.

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I think it pointless for the government to commit to a firm end date until such time as the infection and death rates are insignificant, we need to kill this virus for good.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Feb 21 10.00am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I think it pointless for the government to commit to a firm end date until such time as the infection and death rates are insignificant, we need to kill this virus for good.

They seem willing to give dates when schools can re-open.
At the current rate there will be people still locked up nine months after being vaccinated.

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 12 Feb 21 11.22am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I think it pointless for the government to commit to a firm end date until such time as the infection and death rates are insignificant, we need to kill this virus for good.

Dont think it is possible to kill the virus - it is here and we have to learn to live with it.

 

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Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Dont think it is possible to kill the virus - it is here and we have to learn to live with it.

Exactly. Too many people still saying this. All you can do is be vaccinated or healthy or young. There’s going to be very few dying from this soon, along with summer in Britain, unless they count people with a positive test with next to no symptoms after being vaccinated. Oh they already are. It’s got to be this summer and early this time. Then plan for vaccinations and variants if they think it’s needed, especially if the NHS won’t be able to cope.

 


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