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Originally posted by BlueJay

All too often the problem is that people take a cynicism of mainstream media which is of course reasonable to a point, and replace it with something even more off the rails, typically one man bands by mugs (or grifters) for mugs, or organisations with as much if not more of an agenda then any they criticise, which they then lap up wholesale with no quarms. Unfortunately the bulk of what's on Bitchute is often not some kind of considered valid alternative. It's instead frequently a playground for people mentally off the deep end in one way or another. Case in point 'HappyPeasant' also wants to tell us the the vaccine 'causes a death spike', that there will be a 'wave' of deaths' due to it, that it's akin to worldwide governmental satanic worship and is the 'mark of the beast'.


You are probably right but i am new to bitchute and I listened to Robert Kennedy jr about (mainly) Fauci. Mostly Fauci is a senior guy in the US govt but has fingers in other pies and the military. I don't believe it all but then I don't believe Trump was president.

 


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Originally posted by croydon proud

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky

It is the "world beating" nonsense that they put out for the past year that irks ASCP, and that mistake on week one, was only to go against the EU advice, it lasted a week before lessons were learned that if the EU 27 countrys experts have an opinion, don"t just go against it to show we are different, only to get pied a whole week later! As for the press, you know it2s only in the last couple of days the newspapers have turned against bungle in the uk, thats because he and his cabinet are so so bad, there is no hiding place, and they want to be seen as being on the side that always knew and said so, but trhats just the last few days!

In the EU the press always tell me how useless Britain is at everything. I don't get to hear the world beating stuff. In Ireland the UK is some kind of evil joke at present in the mainstream media. I don't think anyone buys Boris beating anything other than his own meat, or a four year old at rugby, but I guess he has others to do that. As he amply demonstrates.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I've seen several articles and local reporting about care home deaths in countries including Germany. There were also issues in every country over PPE.
The contracts in the UK are a scandal waiting to come out, however. It won't be hidden forever, or even very long once Covid has gone.

Bet your last dime that it wasn't just tories on the take though!

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky

Luckily, the EU and rest of the world dealt with it excellently and are beyond reproach.
I would agree that the cost of PPE and the contact tracing needs to be properly investigated (expensive parliamentary investigation to take years). However, the overall response was no worse than other countries.
To be fair, Ireland has not handled it any differently. Probably worse, yet the difference is our press will not complain. They suck at the government teet for funding and are basically the government media.

UK deaths per 100k population 207

Ireland deaths per 100k population 107.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

UK deaths per 100k population 207

Ireland deaths per 100k population 107.

Population density?

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Population density?

Pretty much as cultural practices will be similar.

 


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Oh look…

The population density in the United Kingdom is 281 per Km2 (727 people per mi2).

The population density in Ireland is 72 per Km2 (186 people per mi2).

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Oh look…

The population density in the United Kingdom is 281 per Km2 (727 people per mi2).

The population density in Ireland is 72 per Km2 (186 people per mi2).


Italy, Belgium, Czech, US all have higher deaths per 1m of population than the U.K.
Belgiums population density is higher than the U.K. but the others are lower.
What’s Italy’s excuse as they’re in the EU. This is always the trouble when you have an agenda against one country (U.K.) which a surprising number of posters on here do. Everyone’s done badly, we’ve made many mistakes but so have many countries. An enquiry is right - to get those mistakes on the table and ensure they don’t happen again but not as a little anti-Brexit bitching thing that we have going on, on these boards all the time.

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Originally posted by Helmet46

Italy, Belgium, Czech, US all have higher deaths per 1m of population than the U.K.
Belgiums population density is higher than the U.K. but the others are lower.
What’s Italy’s excuse as they’re in the EU. This is always the trouble when you have an agenda against one country (U.K.) which a surprising number of posters on here do. Everyone’s done badly, we’ve made many mistakes but so have many countries. An enquiry is right - to get those mistakes on the table and ensure they don’t happen again but not as a little anti-Brexit bitching thing that we have going on, on these boards all the time.

Edited by Helmet46 (13 Oct 2021 6.28am)

In Italy cultural practices will definitely have a significant input into higher death rates.

Median age will also play a significant part, in Italy the median age is 45.7, while in the Uk it is 39 I believe.

Culturally I suspect personal space is smaller in Italian society and that they have more and larger families living together.

I know little about the Czechs to offer an opinion other than history has shown a highly disparate grouping of separate cultures there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2021 6.48am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In Italy cultural practices will definitely have a significant input into higher death rates.

Median age will also play a significant part, in Italy the median age is 45.7, while in the Uk it is 39 I believe.

Culturally I suspect personal space is smaller in Italian society and that they have more and larger families living together.

I know little about the Czechs to offer an opinion other than history has shown a highly disparate grouping of separate cultures there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2021 6.48am)

And that’s absolutely the point. One could argue, with the benefit of hindsight, that each country should have factored all of these things into the equation when considering exactly how to respond to the pandemic. However, everyone was in the same boat and everyone made decisions quickly - some proved to be horrific errors (care homes) and some good decisions (vaccine development). However we must ensure we learn from them, acknowledging and apologising for the poor decisions in the same way the plaudits are taken for the good ones.
A full enquiry cannot come soon enough, in my opinion, but that will only be as good as the requirements for change and the plan for the future. To keep comparing countries stats, unless you are absolutely comparing everything including death rates, density and all other factors referenced above - as well as ways of reporting etc - is perhaps just point scoring.

 

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Originally posted by Helmet46

And that’s absolutely the point. One could argue, with the benefit of hindsight, that each country should have factored all of these things into the equation when considering exactly how to respond to the pandemic. However, everyone was in the same boat and everyone made decisions quickly - some proved to be horrific errors (care homes) and some good decisions (vaccine development). However we must ensure we learn from them, acknowledging and apologising for the poor decisions in the same way the plaudits are taken for the good ones.
A full enquiry cannot come soon enough, in my opinion, but that will only be as good as the requirements for change and the plan for the future. To keep comparing countries stats, unless you are absolutely comparing everything including death rates, density and all other factors referenced above - as well as ways of reporting etc - is perhaps just point scoring.

Right off the bat I get the sense that you think the role of government is to reduce all deaths down to the smallest possible short term amount...the 'safety above all else' mantra that is the mainstream approach and that politicians should be punished if any decision considered anything else.

If I'm correct about your mindset regarding this then I guess we completely disagree that it's an appropriate or sensible way to run a society (freedoms) and economies (debt) indeed the rest of this decade is going to show that with much higher indirect death tolls......from delays from treatment to suicide to all the rest of them.

Every death is a personal tragedy and I know people who have died during this pandemic. That said, governments have multiple factors to consider in any decision for the long term health of its people and the sociological and economic road it leads them down....it's not just about this generation but the future of the next.

So while I'm no fan of Johnson, when it comes to criticisms related to this pandemic I probably have a completely different set of them.....and the criticisms are just as focused upon the global response as they are the national.


Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2021 8.36am)

 


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