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BlueJay  UK 05 Dec 21 2.50am |
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Certainly. Being that I'm double jabbed, I'm booked in for my booster as it significantly lifts immune response and its reasonable to believe that will help 'to an extent' against new variants. It doesn't really make rational sense to have the first two then avoid the booster. Unless we are to let politics warp us this way and that. In addition to having had (mild) covid, and the likelihood of getting the new variant too, I am simply doing my bit in terms of community effort, and looking after myself while also engaging in a normal social routine on account that I don't see living in a shell as helping us move through this. I try to find a sensible balance. Everyone has their own take of course. People do as they do and I'm not going to lose much sleep over differences in approach.
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 HKOwen  Hong Kong 05 Dec 21 7.17am |
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Question: If someone has no other medical reason not to be vaccinated, why would someone choose not to be jabbed? Answer: Because they are an imbecile who if they contract covid is much more likely to be seriously ill or die. Darwin at work
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 05 Dec 21 8.45am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Hard to imagine anyone seeking attention in their retirement. There are some people who you would never buy a computer keyboard from as the " I " would be worn out. Maybe he didn't seek it, but it found him. What may have happened is that he posted a few tweets expressing his concern on the impact on cancer sufferers, which are his speciality, and they were picked up by those with an attitude needing support.
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| Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 21 9.28am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Question: If someone has no other medical reason not to be vaccinated, why would someone choose not to be jabbed? Answer: Because they are an imbecile who if they contract covid is much more likely to be seriously ill or die. Darwin at work If only Owen. But many vaccine refusers are in demographics where they have little to fear from Covid. Of course they have even less to fear from the vaccinations but just don’t care enough about the vulnerable and jump on any crumb of ‘evidence’ to avoid doing their duty. I think you and I and everyone with social responsibility (like those that fought in our wars and need protection) knows this is our duty. Edited by Mapletree (05 Dec 2021 9.32am) Edited by Mapletree (05 Dec 2021 9.48am)
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 05 Dec 21 9.34am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
If only Owen. But many vaccine refuses are in demographics where they have little to fear from Covid. Of course they have even less to fear from the vaccinations but just don’t care enough about the vulnerable and jump on any crumb of ‘evidence’ to avoid doing their duty. I think you and I and everyone with social responsibility (like those that fought in our wars and need protection) knows this is our duty. Edited by Mapletree (05 Dec 2021 9.32am) Bang on the money Mapletree. These idiots are starting to mix at social gatherings/nightclubs etc, then they go shopping (symptom-free) spreading the virus amongst the vulnerable
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| Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 21 10.19am |
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Sir Jeremy Farrar, the director of the Wellcome Trust who stepped down as a government scientific adviser last month, said the progress in combatting Covid-19 since its emergence was “being squandered”. Writing in the Observer, he said rich countries had been taking “a very blinkered domestic focus, lulled into thinking that the worst of the pandemic was behind us”. He said while he was cautiously hopeful that current vaccines would protect against severe illness from Omicron, that may not be true for future variants. “The longer this virus continues to spread in largely unvaccinated populations globally, the more likely it is that a variant that can overcome our vaccines and treatments will emerge,” he writes. “If that happens, we could be close to square one. “This political drift and lack of leadership is prolonging the pandemic for everyone, with governments unwilling to really address inequitable access to the vaccines, tests and treatment. There have been wonderful speeches, warm words, but not the actions needed to ensure fair access to what we know works and would bring the pandemic to a close.” He said that the urgent action needed had not changed – “wearing masks indoors, increasing testing, social distancing, isolating if positive (with support to do so) and vaccination will all help to drive down transmission and protect against illness.”
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Dec 21 10.50am |
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I posted on Friday how I’ve noticed the unmasked I’ve seen in supermarkets are mainly thick and ignorant people I’d pick out as thick and ignorant in 2019. This could be partly down to location but I think the uncertainty of this new variant at the moment and the ‘wait and see’ request has made a lot of others put on a mask so far. What happens in many locations if it becomes public knowledge omicron isn’t the danger it’s feared it could be. Maybe that’ll be in just the UK, or maybe not.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 05 Dec 21 10.55am |
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If you want a paper version of the COVID pass or an updated version showing your booster jab see the link below. It takes less than a couple of minutes.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Dec 21 10.57am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Sir Jeremy Farrar, the director of the Wellcome Trust who stepped down as a government scientific adviser last month, said the progress in combatting Covid-19 since its emergence was “being squandered”. Writing in the Observer, he said rich countries had been taking “a very blinkered domestic focus, lulled into thinking that the worst of the pandemic was behind us”. He said while he was cautiously hopeful that current vaccines would protect against severe illness from Omicron, that may not be true for future variants. “The longer this virus continues to spread in largely unvaccinated populations globally, the more likely it is that a variant that can overcome our vaccines and treatments will emerge,” he writes. “If that happens, we could be close to square one. “This political drift and lack of leadership is prolonging the pandemic for everyone, with governments unwilling to really address inequitable access to the vaccines, tests and treatment. There have been wonderful speeches, warm words, but not the actions needed to ensure fair access to what we know works and would bring the pandemic to a close.” He said that the urgent action needed had not changed – “wearing masks indoors, increasing testing, social distancing, isolating if positive (with support to do so) and vaccination will all help to drive down transmission and protect against illness.” The need for global vaccination is probably a fair one, however, many of the politicians and media critics I’ve heard and read talk about it like the 3rd world should’ve vaccinated the entire globe already and it’s our fault omicron has happened, forgetting that previous pharmaceutical practices have made many Africans refuse this vaccine in its early release and testing. And the vaccinations that could’ve been done with surplus stocks wouldn’t have touched the sides anyway. Back in spring 2020 I heard it would be the WHO vaccinating the 3rd world. I haven’t heard much about them organising this.
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| Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 21 11.13am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The need for global vaccination is probably a fair one, however, many of the politicians and media critics I’ve heard and read talk about it like the 3rd world should’ve vaccinated the entire globe already and it’s our fault omicron has happened, forgetting that previous pharmaceutical practices have made many Africans refuse this vaccine in its early release and testing. And the vaccinations that could’ve been done with surplus stocks wouldn’t have touched the sides anyway. Back in spring 2020 I heard it would be the WHO vaccinating the 3rd world. I haven’t heard much about them organising this. How remiss of those 3rd world countries to fail to produce their own vaccines and then distribute them via their massive healthcare infrastructures.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Dec 21 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
How remiss of those 3rd world countries to fail to produce their own vaccines and then distribute them via their massive healthcare infrastructures. Not really my point, was it? Or do you expect the whole world to be vaccinated quickly? What we could’ve done wouldn’t even have touched the sides. But it’ll have to be done at some point. The problem is covid is permanent.
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Teddy Eagle  05 Dec 21 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
How remiss of those 3rd world countries to fail to produce their own vaccines and then distribute them via their massive healthcare infrastructures. So is it remiss of the pharmaceutical companies not to have produced 24 billion doses and spread them around the world?
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