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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 21 10.41pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Now do Gary Lineker who spouts his usual BS on Twitter seemingly at will because he (although employed by the BBC)has declared himself freelance

With so many programmes being made these days by independent production companies, their employees, or any freelancers they use, are not going to be bound by the BBC's requirements. I guess though that the companies may well insert requirements into their own contracts, as without them, they run the risk of not getting the work.

With the freelancers it must be a balancing act in which a presenter is obligated whilst actually working for the BBC, but is otherwise free to say whatever they wish.

It's only the direct employees, like Edwards, who would be restricted.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 06 Nov 21 4.01am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

With so many programmes being made these days by independent production companies, their employees, or any freelancers they use, are not going to be bound by the BBC's requirements. I guess though that the companies may well insert requirements into their own contracts, as without them, they run the risk of not getting the work.

With the freelancers it must be a balancing act in which a presenter is obligated whilst actually working for the BBC, but is otherwise free to say whatever they wish.

It's only the direct employees, like Edwards, who would be restricted.

And isn't that just a bit weird. Get payed by the BBC and say what you want because they don't pay your tax.
Follow the money!

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 06 Nov 21 8.27am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Wisbech - technically you are correct and yes impartial views are what we want.
However I don't believe that opposite views to his are pulled and that is my issue here.
If it suits their underlying left wing liberal views they let it go but if it doesn't - as in this case - they tug it publicly.
It needs to be fair on all sides and it isn't.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 06 Nov 21 8.34am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Being well known and running your own twitter account is up there as a bad idea with not locking your door at night and forgetting to replace your bog roll.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Nov 21 9.30am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Wisbech - technically you are correct and yes impartial views are what we want.
However I don't believe that opposite views to his are pulled and that is my issue here.
If it suits their underlying left wing liberal views they let it go but if it doesn't - as in this case - they tug it publicly.
It needs to be fair on all sides and it isn't.

That yours is a commonly held perception of the right is merely confirmation of your own bias, because those on the left believe the precise opposite.

The idea that there is any kind of "their" involved is obvious nonsense. The BBC's employees will hold a mixed bag of views, which we can only speculate about because they not only don't have to reveal them, they are obliged not to. That is true at all levels. You may well be right that those in the front line will tend to be more left leaning than right, but those in senior management and at Board level? Let alone the many backroom administrators.

The point though is that the BBC have a charter which demands impartiality from all, and this is fiercely defended.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 06 Nov 21 8.04pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That yours is a commonly held perception of the right is merely confirmation of your own bias, because those on the left believe the precise opposite.

The idea that there is any kind of "their" involved is obvious nonsense. The BBC's employees will hold a mixed bag of views, which we can only speculate about because they not only don't have to reveal them, they are obliged not to. That is true at all levels. You may well be right that those in the front line will tend to be more left leaning than right, but those in senior management and at Board level? Let alone the many backroom administrators.

The point though is that the BBC have a charter which demands impartiality from all, and this is fiercely defended.

Oh you mean like the reporting about TR.
Not very impartial but paxman laughed in his face.
How impartial was that?

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Nov 21 8.58pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Oh you mean like the reporting about TR.
Not very impartial but paxman laughed in his face.
How impartial was that?

Wasn't he disciplined?

In any case presenters are only human and sometimes reactions are spontaneous. Recorded content would be edited out, but that cannot be done when live. Laughing at Yaxley-Lennon seems a pretty mild reaction to me. Paxman has raised his eyebrows at, and asked difficult question of, many people from both the left and right in the past. Y-L was given a platform to express his views, that is more than enough, surely?

I remember Andrew Neil interviewing Alex Jones of InfoWars. Jones was spouting some really nonsensical conspiracy theories, which Neil reacted to with incredulity. Frankly spoken, the viewers would have been dismayed had he not done so. Neil was polite, but firm. Jones walked out.

Remaining impartial is a primary asset of the BBC. Not reacting to self-evidently spurious claims isn't.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 06 Nov 21 10.15pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wasn't he disciplined?

In any case presenters are only human and sometimes reactions are spontaneous. Recorded content would be edited out, but that cannot be done when live. Laughing at Yaxley-Lennon seems a pretty mild reaction to me. Paxman has raised his eyebrows at, and asked difficult question of, many people from both the left and right in the past. Y-L was given a platform to express his views, that is more than enough, surely?

I remember Andrew Neil interviewing Alex Jones of InfoWars. Jones was spouting some really nonsensical conspiracy theories, which Neil reacted to with incredulity. Frankly spoken, the viewers would have been dismayed had he not done so. Neil was polite, but firm. Jones walked out.

Remaining impartial is a primary asset of the BBC. Not reacting to self-evidently spurious claims isn't.

So was paxman impartial?
If he was TR would have been taken more seriously and more may have been done at the time.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 21 8.31am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So was paxman impartial?
If he was TR would have been taken more seriously and more may have been done at the time.

That Yaxley-Lennon was given any airtime at all is evidence he was "taken seriously". Without knowing what caused Paxman to laugh, it's difficult to know if he was being impartial. If he laughed because he expressed genuine concern about the welfare of vulnerable young girls and suggested that not enough was being done to investigate the grooming gangs, then he probably wasn't. If he laughed at one of Y-L's more outrageous claims, that's just a normal reaction. Impartiality isn't involved. Context matters.

What does "being impartial" demand of the BBC? For me it means ensuring both sides of an argument get a fair hearing and not offering your own judgement. That though does not mean tolerating unacceptable behaviour, not calling out hypocrisy, nonsensical, irrelevant or dangerous comments.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Nov 21 8.54am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That yours is a commonly held perception of the right is merely confirmation of your own bias, because those on the left believe the precise opposite.

The idea that there is any kind of "their" involved is obvious nonsense. The BBC's employees will hold a mixed bag of views, which we can only speculate about because they not only don't have to reveal them, they are obliged not to. That is true at all levels. You may well be right that those in the front line will tend to be more left leaning than right, but those in senior management and at Board level? Let alone the many backroom administrators.

The point though is that the BBC have a charter which demands impartiality from all, and this is fiercely defended.

Agreed. They run the full range from A to B.

Socialist

Trotskyist

Marxist Leninist

Remainer

Alphabet Soup

Liberal Democrat

BLM

Green


Etc.

 


One more point

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 07 Nov 21 10.18am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Oh you mean like the reporting about TR.
Not very impartial but paxman laughed in his face.
How impartial was that?

Did the same with the barking mad NRA spokesman who just shouted over the questions and wouldn't let Neill get a word in.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 07 Nov 21 10.33am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

BBC senior people have a wide range of views from extreme left to middling left of centre. The BBC needs a thorough shake up, public broadcasting for basics and made to be commercially viable for the rest.

 


A lie will travel half way around the world before the truth has got it's shoes on.

When conceited septuagenarians opine , best to ignore.

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