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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 26 Jul 20 2.07pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

I think people are reading far too much into this run of defeats.
Every year we have laughed at other teams that are safe with little to play for 'playing in flipflops'. Doesn't take much with such small margins between teams. Not surprising either that we played a bit better against the top 4 teams.
Well that is us this year, we're a proper premier league team with little to play for and the team unknowingly eased up a bit. So what. Doesn't make Roy a bad manager and we were completely safe with about 8 games to go. An ok league season.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Jul 20 2.21pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by rollercoaster

I think people are reading far too much into this run of defeats.
Every year we have laughed at other teams that are safe with little to play for 'playing in flipflops'. Doesn't take much with such small margins between teams. Not surprising either that we played a bit better against the top 4 teams.
Well that is us this year, we're a proper premier league team with little to play for and the team unknowingly eased up a bit. So what. Doesn't make Roy a bad manager and we were completely safe with about 8 games to go. An ok league season.

8 games to go. Should have still got a few points - Zero points is unacceptable and smacks of poor management. The problem is end of season form often goes into the following season. Presumably, Roy knows that.

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 26 Jul 20 2.33pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by rollercoaster

I think people are reading far too much into this run of defeats.
Every year we have laughed at other teams that are safe with little to play for 'playing in flipflops'. Doesn't take much with such small margins between teams. Not surprising either that we played a bit better against the top 4 teams.
Well that is us this year, we're a proper premier league team with little to play for and the team unknowingly eased up a bit. So what. Doesn't make Roy a bad manager and we were completely safe with about 8 games to go. An ok league season.

I disagree. As I wrote above, targeting 8 points from 24 seems reasonable, and achievable. The lack of motivation to achieve an improved position, points total, and financial reward, reeks of poor management.

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 26 Jul 20 2.46pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by rollercoaster

I think people are reading far too much into this run of defeats.
Every year we have laughed at other teams that are safe with little to play for 'playing in flipflops'. Doesn't take much with such small margins between teams. Not surprising either that we played a bit better against the top 4 teams.
Well that is us this year, we're a proper premier league team with little to play for and the team unknowingly eased up a bit. So what. Doesn't make Roy a bad manager and we were completely safe with about 8 games to go. An ok league season.

I can handle the defeats because most of the games we were complete underdogs but the way we played has been abysmal. Not good enough in any way or form. And no point saying we had nothing to play for. After the Bournemouth win we still had a slim shot at Europa league.

 

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag Corby 26 Jul 20 3.25pm Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

Today is a good day for Roy.

Sakho being out means he can shoe horn in another defensive midfielder.

 

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View BM's Profile BM Flag 26 Jul 20 6.10pm Send a Private Message to BM Add BM as a friend

I really hope Roy stays and is given some decent players to work with. Itís been a good season overall and the rigour he brings to the team is important. It might not be the most exciting football but how many non-top six sides stay up AND entertain? Heís an excellent manager and if we replace him I think we are more likely to go down next season.

 

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View cp forever's Profile cp forever Flag south london 26 Jul 20 6.19pm Send a Private Message to cp forever Add cp forever as a friend

I agree, I hope we get some good players in to build a team that can go forward with Roy and Ray who have done great stuff for us, be careful what you wish for.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 26 Jul 20 11.59pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

I can handle the defeats because most of the games we were complete underdogs but the way we played has been abysmal. Not good enough in any way or form. And no point saying we had nothing to play for. After the Bournemouth win we still had a slim shot at Europa league.

If he wasnt aiming for Europe, he could have used them as 8 friendlies to try new things out.

If we'd lost, he could have then said we were experimenting and probably held off people calling for his head.

Instead he said that he owes it to the (out of form) senior players to give them a place in the team because every place was important. Then bought on a defensive midfielder for a winger with two minutes to go. But he got a point, which haulted his losing streak, then complained that he didn't have Kane so was unlucky again.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jul 20 8.43am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

If he wasnt aiming for Europe, he could have used them as 8 friendlies to try new things out.

If we'd lost, he could have then said we were experimenting and probably held off people calling for his head.

Instead he said that he owes it to the (out of form) senior players to give them a place in the team because every place was important. Then bought on a defensive midfielder for a winger with two minutes to go. But he got a point, which haulted his losing streak, then complained that he didn't have Kane so was unlucky again.

Question - if you were Steve Parish and Hodgson said to you that he was going to '' experiment '' with the team and treat the last 8 games as friendlies, what would you have said ? Bearing in mind the financial implications of the finishing places ?

You also manage to moan about getting a point yesterday against a top 6 club. Did you see who was on their bench compared to ours ? If you were to have made a sub with 2 minutes to go, who would you have brought on then ?

 


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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 27 Jul 20 10.23am Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO
Question - if you were Steve Parish and Hodgson said to you that he was going to '' experiment '' with the team and treat the last 8 games as friendlies, what would you have said ? Bearing in mind the financial implications of the finishing places ?

You also manage to moan about getting a point yesterday against a top 6 club. Did you see who was on their bench compared to ours ? If you were to have made a sub with 2 minutes to go, who would you have brought on then ?

Good qustions. I made a post a while ago when it is clear we were safe asking what people wanted to see from the last few games. I think it should have been a discussion between Parish and Roy and we should have had a clear stratergy either way.

The options we had were;

1) Stick with our best team, and hope we finish as high up the league as possible.

2) Treat the matches as friendlys, try out some different players, see what we have to build on for next season.

We stuck with our best team, lost 7 games and drew one against a Spurs side who weren't pushing for a win. Therefore, the manager got it wrong.

In the matches we were losing, we failed to make uses of our substitutions to either chase the game or give the youngesters a run out. Roy's biggest concern seemed to be goal difference. He can always come in after a games with the same cliches about how the thought we were unlucky.

So Roy didn't chase the highest possible league finish but still played what he thought was our best team.

If we treated the games like friendlies, we could have seen what players might be able to contribute to the side next season, if a player played well, we could save or make millions in the transfer market. B

But Roy decided to play our senior players, showing that there is no real competition for first team places.

Your second question is pretty loaded and your language is quite devisive, and contains a typical Roy Hodgson appologist excuse. I can tell you that I wouldn't have bought on an experienced defensive midfielder for a winger with two minutes to go. I'd have like to have seen something done earlier, and with more attacking intent. We had Pierreck, Meyer, Kirby, and Gordon on the bench. We could even have bought on Woods and stuck Dann up front. Again, had we lost, we'd finish in exactly the same league position.

Contiually giving players 2 mintues on the pitch in just seems like an insult to the players, unless he's trying to kill a game off.

A draw with Spurs, on the last day of the season, when they only needed a draw, isn't some great acheivement to celebrate. It can't be used to hide from the fact we lost 7 in a row before then. In Roy's fans minds, it's his Dunkirk.

Lombardo stuck a young Clinton Morrison on the pitch for 10 minutes against Sheffield Wednesday on the last day of the season in 1998. He grabbed a tap in and gave the fans something to be hopeful for going into the next season.

 

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View Gyro1780's Profile Gyro1780 Flag Leatherhead, Surrey 27 Jul 20 10.41am Send a Private Message to Gyro1780 Add Gyro1780 as a friend

Originally posted by BM

I really hope Roy stays and is given some decent players to work with. Itís been a good season overall and the rigour he brings to the team is important. It might not be the most exciting football but how many non-top six sides stay up AND entertain? Heís an excellent manager and if we replace him I think we are more likely to go down next season.

We're more likely to go down sticking with Hodgson. Boring, dull football, same tactics, same players in the team each week. Time for a change. A new manager with fresh ideas.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jul 20 10.44am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Gyro1780


We're more likely to go down sticking with Hodgson. Boring, dull football, same tactics, same players in the team each week. Time for a change. A new manager with fresh ideas.

I do get the impression that large swathes of our supporters are thinking along the lines of "Oh, NO, not another season with Hodgson and his boring tactics".

I am increasingly hearing "Time for a change".

 

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