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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Aug 20 11.25am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

The Labour Party. They are looking for a permanent majority which they have already achieved in Londonistan.

if these new arrivals are mostly Christian, then it would be Londonnesburg

 


from the Etihad, Emirates, Molyneux, London Stadium, the Vitality, turf moor & Anfield to Old Trafford x 2.....or a neighbourly visit to Craven Cottage...Raptors on the Road

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Aug 20 12.00pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

The question you always have to ask is this: who funds this narrative?

You read a newspaper. Who funds this paper? If I can't find out, why is that?

You see a politician making a speech. Who funds that politician? Again, if I can't find out, why not?

You see a person on the TV from a think tank you've never heard of. Who funds them? If I can't find out, why not?

If you dig deep enough, all these questions will have similar answers. Offshore elites use London because our financial regulations have been stripped to the bone and don't do sh*t. Billions are made every week. Funding a narrative which makes them invisible pays, and if it lays the blame at the feet of a silent, powerless minority (refugees), then all the better!

Follow the money. Pirates are raiding our society, and now youth centres are closing, libraries, small businesses, public spaces, art centres, and things like the welfare state, the NHS, social care, support for renters, pensions are disappearing before our eyes. Why? Where is that money going?

Most of us aren't stupid and realise that London is essentially the money laundering capital of the world. I guess since they almost invented capitalism then they had a head start. I guess capitalism is always going to do its best to make the most money it can. However, we also live in a welfare state, where, as you suggest, services are diminishing.
How then is it helpful to allow economic migrants come to a place with diminishing services? It's not good for the poor indigenous people, or the people arriving. A state of conflict becomes almost inevitable as 90 percent of people compete for the one percent of available capital and resources.
If you look back over these threads, there are several posts where people say they don't blame these immigrants for trying. Most people want to benefit themselves and have a decent life. No one can be blamed for that.
However, people are blaming governments, agencies and people who try to help them, and it's even worse when some call out for more in the name of some kind of perverse self harm.
If our services are diminishing protect them. Don't spread them thinner with people who, frankly, have zero right to access them.
As for your housing and German suggestions. Firstly, I guess you have never lived in a room with a few people to share the rent. And you won't recognise that even right near you are several house fulls of people. And all our kids will afford houses? Nothing to do with supply?
right.
Germany - a growing actual far right. Rather than the silly imagined one here. Major parties now, capable of being part of a coalition that would topple Merkel, and not far off it. Why - these are all fascists? The Nazi's never ended? No, their modern day experience of a sudden influx of incompatible people. High crime areas that never existed before. New Ghettos. In some areas Erdogan is more famous than Merkel. I could list worse but won't.
One has to suspect that in many places in England they think Imran Khan is President too.
If you can't take any of this in fair enough. What the Capitalists do, I'm not 100% sure we can stop right now, but illegal immigration we can complain. Why are we vilified and gagged though, why is it racist? These are the real considerations.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 31 Aug 20 12.46pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

What the Capitalists do, I'm not 100% sure we can stop right now, but illegal immigration we can complain. Why are we vilified and gagged though, why is it racist? These are the real considerations.

See this is the crux of it. We feel powerless against this form of turbo-Capitalism, but of course there are things we can do to make them more accountable. Fund HMRC, increase financial transactions taxes, have property law which ensures residency.

Of course you could argue that they would all leave, but then I'd say is that necessarily a bad thing? They have done so much damage, and our economy is more diverse than somewhere like Jersey, we have other means of generating growth.

Here's the real question I have for you though. Let me accept your idea that it's in these mega-rich's interest to have open borders, so they can have a cheap workforce, bring down standards etc. How do you hope to tackle the problem of immigration without removing the power that those people have? If they have access to the best lawyers, to senior politicians, the media etc. then no matter how upset you get about migration, you will never have the political power they have to change legislation.

Genuine question. Cos where I'm sitting, that seems to get to the heart of why the blame ends up on the immigrants themselves. We are all annoyed at a system that is f*cking up our country, we feel powerless to stop the powerful, so our anger gets displaced on to the groups below us in the food chain cos they're easier to target.

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If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Aug 20 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

See this is the crux of it. We feel powerless against this form of turbo-Capitalism, but of course there are things we can do to make them more accountable. Fund HMRC, increase financial transactions taxes, have property law which ensures residency.

Of course you could argue that they would all leave, but then I'd say is that necessarily a bad thing? They have done so much damage, and our economy is more diverse than somewhere like Jersey, we have other means of generating growth.

Here's the real question I have for you though. Let me accept your idea that it's in these mega-rich's interest to have open borders, so they can have a cheap workforce, bring down standards etc. How do you hope to tackle the problem of immigration without removing the power that those people have? If they have access to the best lawyers, to senior politicians, the media etc. then no matter how upset you get about migration, you will never have the political power they have to change legislation.

Genuine question. Cos where I'm sitting, that seems to get to the heart of why the blame ends up on the immigrants themselves. We are all annoyed at a system that is f*cking up our country, we feel powerless to stop the powerful, so our anger gets displaced on to the groups below us in the food chain cos they're easier to target.

Edited by serial thriller (31 Aug 2020 12.49pm)

The economic system you are referring to isn't specific to us it's global. To remove it would require revolution.

Reading your criticisms of the financial sector I'm reminded of a few rather deeply infamous figures of the past with similar criticisms.

It's something both ends of the left and right agree on but when we see you views on third world foreigners we see the difference.

You just don't like the higher end of the globalized system, whereas you're fine with our country being replaced with low wage foreigners.

Again, you state we blame them, when this point was already correctly answered....we don't.

We simply put our indigenous people first.....just like every country outside of Europe does.

The people we blame are the far left organisations and activists working to take Europe away from Europeans and the neo liberal capitalists, who will never live with the problem, looking to gain new debt slaves on lower wages.

Immigration can be solved with political will and the willingness to stand up to the elites......However, removing the elites themselves and changing the system is order of magnitude more radical and difficult.

Orban would be the correct future for the UK.....but we don't have an Orban yet and the time is running out.

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 31 Aug 20 1.38pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The economic system you are referring to isn't specific to us it's global. To remove it would require revolution.

Reading your criticisms of the financial sector I'm reminded of a few rather deeply infamous figures of the past with similar criticisms.

It's something both ends of the left and right agree on but when we see you views on third world foreigners we see the difference.

You just don't like the higher end of the globalized system, whereas you're fine with our country being replaced with low wage foreigners.

Again, you state we blame them, when this point was already correctly answered....we don't.

We simply put our indigenous people first.....just like every country outside of Europe does.

The people we blame are the far left organisations and activists working to take Europe away from Europeans and the neo liberal capitalists, who will never live with the problem, looking to gain new debt slaves on lower wages.

Immigration can be solved with political will and the willingness to stand up to the elites......However, removing the elites themselves and changing the system is order of magnitude more radical and difficult.

Orban would be the correct future for the UK.....but we don't have an Orban yet and the time is running out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Aug 2020 1.28pm)

Right...and what's stopping those elites from saying ok, we'll end all low-skilled immigration into the UK, but native workers have to accept a severe reduction in the minimum wage and a removal of worker's rights provisions, or we'll simply move our services to a different country?

I'm just interested to know what in your eyes 'standing up to elites' looks like, given that when I look at the government, I see a former Goldman Sachs employee as Chancellor, an old Etonian as Prime Minister, and a treasury staffed mainly with former financiers. You don't get more elite than that.

And as for Orban, I think he symbolises something very revealing. A lot of those former Eastern Bloc nations have been hit harder by keptocracy than any other. Ukraine is a failed state, Albania is sliding in to poverty, places like Kyrgystan and Kazakhstan are rife with corruption. Yet there is almost no immigration going in to these countries.

If that's really the area of politics we need to be aiming at to change our society's slide downhill, why aren't those countries booming?

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Aug 20 2.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Right...and what's stopping those elites from saying ok, we'll end all low-skilled immigration into the UK, but native workers have to accept a severe reduction in the minimum wage and a removal of worker's rights provisions, or we'll simply move our services to a different country?

I'm just interested to know what in your eyes 'standing up to elites' looks like, given that when I look at the government, I see a former Goldman Sachs employee as Chancellor, an old Etonian as Prime Minister, and a treasury staffed mainly with former financiers. You don't get more elite than that.

And as for Orban, I think he symbolises something very revealing. A lot of those former Eastern Bloc nations have been hit harder by keptocracy than any other. Ukraine is a failed state, Albania is sliding in to poverty, places like Kyrgystan and Kazakhstan are rife with corruption. Yet there is almost no immigration going in to these countries.

If that's really the area of politics we need to be aiming at to change our society's slide downhill, why aren't those countries booming?

Booming with debt you mean?

You kind of answered why yourself, it's because the globalized financial system isn't running the politicians and hence system in those countries.

Hungary however under Orban appears to be doing well....playing between the globalized EU and a nationalist worldview.

It's why throwing the baby out with the bathwater probably isn't the answer

As for these former Soviet satellites they are still in recovery from communism, which also came with crippling corruption, which itself discourages investment..the corruption is still there...You see, the system you run is less important than the reality of who runs it...humans. Aristotle had some sensible thoughts on who should rule thousands of years ago....and for those who haven't read the Republic the conclusion was that money and leaders was a very bad idea.

As the Bible says, money is the root of all evil...though we should probably really call it greed and its system attracts the worst vices and gives out the highest rewards.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 31 Aug 20 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

I'm just interested to know what in your eyes 'standing up to elites' looks like, given that when I look at the government, I see a former Goldman Sachs employee as Chancellor, an old Etonian as Prime Minister, and a treasury staffed mainly with former financiers. You don't get more elite than that.

Nothing in that to disagree. I voted Tory purely based on the promise to honour the Brexit vote and think they are all an utter shower of s***e who need replacing. But there veiws on migration are far more in line with yours. The Goldman Sach's of this world WANT more open borders. They WANT more power given to trans-national bodies such as the EU. How do you square you own supposedly anti-elite credentials with that given that you support both stances?

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 31 Aug 20 3.00pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Nothing in that to disagree. I voted Tory purely based on the promise to honour the Brexit vote and think they are all an utter shower of s***e who need replacing. But there veiws on migration are far more in line with yours. The Goldman Sach's of this world WANT more open borders. They WANT more power given to trans-national bodies such as the EU. How do you square you own supposedly anti-elite credentials with that given that you support both stances?

Simple. To change things, we need to focus on the levers of power, not the people who are at best the results of policies.

To this end, voting Tory to try and change things is akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 31 Aug 20 3.10pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller


To this end, voting Tory to try and change things is akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.

As opposed to people who favour foreigners over their own native populations?

I get why you think the Tories will not change anything but come on. Face up to your own hypocrisy on this and acknowledge that Goldman Sachs see me as far more of an enemy than you.

 

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The chancellor is worth £2 billion- just thought i"d throw that in, in case anybody reading this in days didn"t know, thats £ 2000 million- just in case anybodys maths isn"t great,mind boggling, married in to it to be fair on him but still , just rememberas you take a leisurely drive through the cotswolds, we"re all in this together!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Aug 20 3.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

The chancellor is worth £2 billion- just thought i"d throw that in, in case anybody reading this in days didn"t know, thats £ 2000 million- just in case anybodys maths isn"t great,mind boggling, married in to it to be fair on him but still , just rememberas you take a leisurely drive through the cotswolds, we"re all in this together!

Yeah but Croydon...you're arguing that while showing a different country's flag.

I'm amazed to hear the chancellor is worth that though....he still looks like he's in his twenties.


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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 31 Aug 20 3.39pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

As opposed to people who favour foreigners over their own native populations?

I get why you think the Tories will not change anything but come on. Face up to your own hypocrisy on this and acknowledge that Goldman Sachs see me as far more of an enemy than you.

It's worth looking at for sure.

Let's take the past few years. We've had the hostile environment, repeated efforts to reduce net migration to below 100 thousand and of course Brexit.

Just flicking through the Evening Standard's coverage of Goldman Sachs in that time is a good way of gauging how they feel...

'Overseas investors shrug off Brexit jitters by investing £7billion on London offices', while 'Goldman Sachs vice-chairman Richard Gnodde said the long lease of its Plumtree Court site “demonstrates our continued commitment to London” (2017) [Link]

Revealed: New £1bn London HQ of Goldman Sachs - which boasts resting rooms for tired bankers, lactation suites for mothers, a nursery and pre-school (2019) [Link]

"The boss of Goldman Sachs has admitted that the impact of Brexit has not been as bad as he expected it to be" [Link]

Migration, ultimately, doesn't affect their bottom line. Put in more robust financial regulation, increase corporation tax and close down our offshore principalities, however...

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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