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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 27 Jan 21 10.26am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Roy seems to be getting the rub of the green like Pards who outstayed his welcome as manager after a dreadful run of results, luckily for him between seasons. Last seasons run in was worrying, let's hope we are not sliding down the slope again.

Early in the 2nd half Wilf was put through with only the keeper to beat and .missed.

Was that Roy's fault?

The third goal Guaita stayed on his line for a corner that was close to his line and should havee been his ball all day long.

Was that Roy's fault?

 


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subbuteo Flag 27 Jan 21 10.26am Send a Private Message to subbuteo Add subbuteo as a friend

Its true we were in a worse position when Pardew was sacked - we were 17th, one point of bottom 3, with 17 played with 8 defeats in the last 10 - [Link] - but the basic story of the run starting the previous season and being split by the close season is basically the same (without a run to the cup final!). I think one of the things SP has done well has been to move early when a change was needed and get ahead of the curve of other sackings. Slow out of the blocks this time maybe because the contract only runs to the summer and, due to the hopelessness of other teams, we might be ok. The next 6 games are so crucial though. If we lose them we are deep in it. With wolves up in a few days I'd be surprised if anything happens before then but if we lose...

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Roy seems to be getting the rub of the green like Pards who outstayed his welcome as manager after a dreadful run of results, luckily for him between seasons. Last seasons run in was worrying, let's hope we are not sliding down the slope again.

 

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subbuteo Flag 27 Jan 21 10.27am Send a Private Message to subbuteo Add subbuteo as a friend

Well he hasn't picked Butland despite Guita clearly being out of form

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Early in the 2nd half Wilf was put through with only the keeper to beat and .missed.

Was that Roy's fault?

The third goal Guaita stayed on his line for a corner that was close to his line and should havee been his ball all day long.

Was that Roy's fault?

 

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Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 27 Jan 21 10.37am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Early in the 2nd half Wilf was put through with only the keeper to beat and .missed.

Was that Roy's fault?

The third goal Guaita stayed on his line for a corner that was close to his line and should havee been his ball all day long.

Was that Roy's fault?

No. For most teams more shots miss or are saved than go in. It's expected.

But, we had 6 shots in total they had 17. That stat may have something to do the Roy's tactics.


 


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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 27 Jan 21 10.45am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend


Originally posted by Eaglehamster

No. For most teams more shots miss or are saved than go in. It's expected.

But, we had 6 shots in total they had 17. That stat may have something to do the Roy's tactics.

So they scored one goal from 17 shots we scored two from six. Stats can be way off beam at times. Headers are not shots

 


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Master Coin Flag 27 Jan 21 10.49am Send a Private Message to Master Coin Add Master Coin as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Early in the 2nd half Wilf was put through with only the keeper to beat and .missed.

Was that Roy's fault?

The third goal Guaita stayed on his line for a corner that was close to his line and should havee been his ball all day long.

Was that Roy's fault?

This is incredibly selective to suggest we could have got a 3-2 win. It overlooks that Antonio should have had two for example. If you’re gonna cherry pick Wilf missing then you need the similar Antonio misses as context. Putting aside individual bits of play and just looking at the overall picture WHU were far better than us and we made a number of tactical mistakes.

1) Trotting out 442 irrespective of opponents is a mistake
2) Refusal to bring on subs earlier when it isn’t working is a mistake
3) Continuing to play Kouyate is a mistake. He was admirable filling in when we were short and his early season form was great. He’s been bad for a number of games now and is only being picked based on sentiment and early season form. He shouldn’t be ahead of any of the “full time” CBs
4) Stubbornly not playing Jairo is a mistake

These are all on Roy

 

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Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 27 Jan 21 10.50am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle


So they scored one goal from 17 shots we scored two from six. Stats can be way off beam at times. Headers are not shots

PZ, They played us off the park. We were flattered by close score line.

 


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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 27 Jan 21 10.53am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I get the frustration with both the Board and the manager but the anomaly for me is how there is complaint from so many that the players aren't good enough but still the expectation that those players will serve up attacking and entertaining football.

To me it matters not which combination of JMs, Luka, Riedewald, Schlupp etc no combination is going to bring us energetic attacking or entertaining football.

Neither is Benteke. He's fvcking rubbish.

I've never been worried about entertaining football but the biggest concern for me is how fragile we look as a defensive unit.


Benteke is a very easy and convenient scapegoat but Roy has ruined him. In the five Premier League seasons prior to Roy arriving, Benteke's lowest goal tally was nine and as high as 19. Indeed, he scored 15 league goals for us the previous season.

Then Roy arrives, installs a tactical philosophy that completely starves the strikers of any decent service and, lo and behold, Benteke scores nine goals in the following 3.5 seasons. No wonder his confidence is shot.

It isn't just Benteke. Ayew managed nine last season during a purple patch but, otherwise, has been average. Sorloth couldn't score for us. Wickham couldn't score for us. I honestly don't think Lewandowski or Kane would score for us, such is the negativity of our system.

And it doesn't have to be this way. On the rare occasion that we do actually decide to have a go, we usually play well and win, the victories over Leeds and WBA spring to mind.

I think we massively miss Cabaye and any attempt to bring in a technical midfielder to replace him (Meyer, Riedewald) hasn't worked as Roy has just gradually alienated them, preferring industrious midfielders instead.

Nobody is demanding that we go out and try to play like vintage Barca but lets at least not play like vintage Stoke. We have to show some ambition because after eight years in the league we're still playing like a newly promoted minnow.

It's no wonder that Wilf wants to leave and we keep missing out on players like Bowen and Benrahma to West Ham. Even playing for that bunch of lunatics must be more entertaining than playing for Roy. And don't say that they're going for the wages because we have the seventh highest wage bill in the division.

 


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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 27 Jan 21 10.53am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

PZ, They played us off the park. We were flattered by close score line.

I have not said we should have won but if they were that fecking brilliant why didn't they do a Liverpool on us?

 


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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 27 Jan 21 10.55am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Master Coin

This is incredibly selective to suggest we could have got a 3-2 win. It overlooks that Antonio should have had two for example. If you’re gonna cherry pick Wilf missing then you need the similar Antonio misses as context. Putting aside individual bits of play and just looking at the overall picture WHU were far better than us and we made a number of tactical mistakes.

1) Trotting out 442 irrespective of opponents is a mistake
2) Refusal to bring on subs earlier when it isn’t working is a mistake
3) Continuing to play Kouyate is a mistake. He was admirable filling in when we were short and his early season form was great. He’s been bad for a number of games now and is only being picked based on sentiment and early season form. He shouldn’t be ahead of any of the “full time” CBs
4) Stubbornly not playing Jairo is a mistake

These are all on Roy

Total nonsense!

 


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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Jan 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Master Coin

This is incredibly selective to suggest we could have got a 3-2 win. It overlooks that Antonio should have had two for example. If you’re gonna cherry pick Wilf missing then you need the similar Antonio misses as context. Putting aside individual bits of play and just looking at the overall picture WHU were far better than us and we made a number of tactical mistakes.

1) Trotting out 442 irrespective of opponents is a mistake
2) Refusal to bring on subs earlier when it isn’t working is a mistake
3) Continuing to play Kouyate is a mistake. He was admirable filling in when we were short and his early season form was great. He’s been bad for a number of games now and is only being picked based on sentiment and early season form. He shouldn’t be ahead of any of the “full time” CBs
4) Stubbornly not playing Jairo is a mistake

These are all on Roy


Agreed. 'Nuff said.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Jan 21 11.47am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

PZ, They played us off the park. We were flattered by close score line.


Indeed they did and we were - very flattered.

 

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