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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 27 Jan 21 3.04pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle


So they scored one goal from 17 shots we scored two from six. Stats can be way off beam at times. Headers are not shots

Yes they are.

In the world of stats, if they are an attempt or are on target, they go down along with foot attempts as 'shots' Ok?

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 27 Jan 21 3.06pm Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Very interesting article on Roy . Parish / Palace here

[Link]

An excellent piece and totally agree with it.
The uncertainty at the club is very real and for a side in it's 8th Premiership season simply not good enough.

We are sitting here not knowing who will be in charge next season or who will be playing due to an inexcusable amount of players being out of contract.

We are not planning ahead, simply living day by day. As I see it there can only be two choices. Offer Roy a new contract or get someone in now so they have time to evaluate, build and decide who they want to keep.

Worrying times at the moment if you ask me.

 


Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 27 Jan 21 3.08pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

We’ll have to agree to differ re Benteke. As I’ve posted before he missed 20 from 23 good chances in Roy’s first season and plenty of decent judges reckoned he got the yips. His hold up play is also non existent.

Last nights performance was completely unacceptable but to me there is a quality and age problem. A year too far for too many who are no longer good enough. Cahill was excellent last season but has gone. Tomkins great but made of glass Dann, Ward, Townsend, Luka etc

Some also with an eye on the exit door. I think Fat Soldier Sakho and Van Aanholt downed tools some time ago. Riedewald flatters to deceive IMO and isn’t the answer either preferring too many safe square passes.

The point made by other posters that once Roy’s teams lose defensive organisation and spirit then there isn’t much left is a fair one IMO and that is the biggest concern regarding recent poor performances. I also think that changes in formation won’t necessarily bring about the desired improvement.

Despite struggling to get results I think Fulham have improved massively and look as though they may have enough about them to get out of trouble

It’s a results business. Parish isn’t a fool and IMO will be thinking about a change just to shake things up and and halt the downward slide.


I agree with much of that and, as I said in my initial post, I blame the board as well.

They are the ones who have effectively prioritised survival at all costs and Roy knows full well that as long as he does just about enough to keep us safe, he's in a job. With no fans to hold anyone to account, there's no incentive for him to play anything but Royball if there's a chance we can grind out a draw or narrow win.

They have also sanctioned this crazy transfer strategy where we have loaded our squad with old players on huge wages and no resale value, most of whom have contracts expiring this summer. It means that we'll either have to renew half of them or face replacing about 14 players which clearly isn't going to happen.

In an ideal world we would get a decent director of football in who could sort out our awful recruitment and try to emulate the Leicester model. Like them we would start lining up replacement managers and players to continue the club's philosophy before we actually let them go.

In reality the second we win a game or two we'll take the opportunity to announce that we're renewing Roy for another year and probably half of our Dad's Army squad alongside it.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 21 3.34pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace


I agree with much of that and, as I said in my initial post, I blame the board as well.

They are the ones who have effectively prioritised survival at all costs and Roy knows full well that as long as he does just about enough to keep us safe, he's in a job. With no fans to hold anyone to account, there's no incentive for him to play anything but Royball if there's a chance we can grind out a draw or narrow win.

They have also sanctioned this crazy transfer strategy where we have loaded our squad with old players on huge wages and no resale value, most of whom have contracts expiring this summer. It means that we'll either have to renew half of them or face replacing about 14 players which clearly isn't going to happen.

In an ideal world we would get a decent director of football in who could sort out our awful recruitment and try to emulate the Leicester model. Like them we would start lining up replacement managers and players to continue the club's philosophy before we actually let them go.

In reality the second we win a game or two we'll take the opportunity to announce that we're renewing Roy for another year and probably half of our Dad's Army squad alongside it.

Perhaps quite a few of our supporters would welcome that news given that he has ensured we have survived in the PL in successive seasons, he is tried and trusted and any new manager could pose a significant risk to our survival prospects.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Jan 21 3.37pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Very interesting article on Roy . Parish / Palace here

[Link]


A thought provoking article but will anyone from the Palace hierarchy read it? Probably not, unfortunately.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 27 Jan 21 3.37pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Perhaps quite a few of our supporters would welcome that news given that he has ensured we have survived in the PL in successive seasons, he is tried and trusted and any new manager could pose a significant risk to our survival prospects.

And then again perhaps not, and there are many supporters who would welcome with open arms a new manager with a fresh outlook.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 21 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


A thought provoking article but will anyone from the Palace hierarchy read it? Probably not, unfortunately.

Perhaps I will forward it on to someone.

Edited by Willo (27 Jan 2021 3.39pm)

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 27 Jan 21 3.54pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by GujiMadDog

To change manager now I think would be a mistake but if we are to then ithas to be somebody like Brenford's Thomas Frank.

We all want the best manager Palace can get. Parish does too.

I don't post in defence of Roy as such, but more to criticise those saying that 'anyone would be better than Hodgson'. To me, those posts demonstrate blissful ignorance of his achievements, the relatively low quality of the squad, our budget, and the great importance of staying in this league.

I think Roy will certainly keep us up, and remain unconvinced that there is a better alternative. Fair play to you for actually naming a candidate, but for me Thomas Frank is one of a number of deeply unconvincing 'candidates'.

Regarding results, Frank has done well without achieving anything great. He got Brentford to the play off final and lost. Holloway went one better. Warnock, several times, got better results. Jokanivic did it at Watford and Fulham. None of those are good enough managers for us, so it cannot be that Frank is a good candidate based on results alone.

To his credit, Frank develops young players, but not to any greater extent than Mark Warburton did, or Dean Smith, both of whom did every bit as well as Frank at Brentford. Take the coach out of the club though and they look a bit different.

Warburton hasn't shone since leaving Brentford, and Smith was very lucky to keep his job and his club up last year. He is only doing well this year after another massive injection of funds he simply would not get at Palace.

I'm not dismissing the role Frank played in developing players at Brentford, but he hasn't done anything that some other, subsequently unimpressive coaches have also done in that system.

Finally, and this I think is the main thing for most people, the style of football Frank plays is better than Roy's. Well, yes, but so was the style Palace played under Freedman and Holloway when we had one of the better squads in the championship. It was when we got to the premier league that we found it was not so simple.

I would of course support Frank if we went for him, or Howe, or anyone else, but I think it will only be when we have replaced him that some will see how well Hodgson, for all his obvious faults, has done.


 

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jeeagles Flag 27 Jan 21 4.17pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

We all want the best manager Palace can get. Parish does too.

I don't post in defence of Roy as such, but more to criticise those saying that 'anyone would be better than Hodgson'. To me, those posts demonstrate blissful ignorance of his achievements, the relatively low quality of the squad, our budget, and the great importance of staying in this league.

I think Roy will certainly keep us up, and remain unconvinced that there is a better alternative. Fair play to you for actually naming a candidate, but for me Thomas Frank is one of a number of deeply unconvincing 'candidates'.

Regarding results, Frank has done well without achieving anything great. He got Brentford to the play off final and lost. Holloway went one better. Warnock, several times, got better results. Jokanivic did it at Watford and Fulham. None of those are good enough managers for us, so it cannot be that Frank is a good candidate based on results alone.

To his credit, Frank develops young players, but not to any greater extent than Mark Warburton did, or Dean Smith, both of whom did every bit as well as Frank at Brentford. Take the coach out of the club though and they look a bit different.

Warburton hasn't shone since leaving Brentford, and Smith was very lucky to keep his job and his club up last year. He is only doing well this year after another massive injection of funds he simply would not get at Palace.

I'm not dismissing the role Frank played in developing players at Brentford, but he hasn't done anything that some other, subsequently unimpressive coaches have also done in that system.

Finally, and this I think is the main thing for most people, the style of football Frank plays is better than Roy's. Well, yes, but so was the style Palace played under Freedman and Holloway when we had one of the better squads in the championship. It was when we got to the premier league that we found it was not so simple.

I would of course support Frank if we went for him, or Howe, or anyone else, but I think it will only be when we have replaced him that some will see how well Hodgson, for all his obvious faults, has done.

It's obvious that a new manager is always a risk, but this is where a cronyism around Premiership teams starts.

Lots of clubs aren't willing to take a risk on a manager that hasn't got Premier League experience. Very few managers get the opportunity to get Premier League experience so clubs get locked in with the same old faces doing the managerial merry go round. Roy's proved he can do alright for a relatively short period of time at Blackburn, Fulham, West Brom and Palace, but he's never really showed he can take a team forward (without the unsustainable backing Al Fayed gave him). The clubs been in decline for at least a season, yet everyone's scared to replace him as the crop of managers with PL experience aren't too appealing either.

Now we are established in the Premier League with the best squad Roy had worked with, I think we have enough buffer to cast our net a bit wider in the search for a manager.

We took a gamble with FdB after 4 seasons in the Premiership. Previously we wouldn't have been able to take that gamble as the squad wasn't good enough. The gamble failed, but we still stayed up comfortably with one of the merry go round managers.

Brighton have appointed a frankly average manager from the Championship and are relatively comfortable.

It's worth taking a risk again, rather than just playing 4-4-2 every week and getting overrun by teams that don't get out of second gear. There's now Howe, Franks, Lampard etc available. There's got to be dozens of other managers that we could get who are better the Ray and Roy.

Although, personally, I'd break the bank for Rafa.

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 27 Jan 21 4.27pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

It's obvious that a new manager is always a risk, but this is where a cronyism around Premiership teams starts.

Lots of clubs aren't willing to take a risk on a manager that hasn't got Premier League experience. Very few managers get the opportunity to get Premier League experience so clubs get locked in with the same old faces doing the managerial merry go round. Roy's proved he can do alright for a relatively short period of time at Blackburn, Fulham, West Brom and Palace, but he's never really showed he can take a team forward (without the unsustainable backing Al Fayed gave him). The clubs been in decline for at least a season, yet everyone's scared to replace him as the crop of managers with PL experience aren't too appealing either.

Now we are established in the Premier League with the best squad Roy had worked with, I think we have enough buffer to cast our net a bit wider in the search for a manager.

We took a gamble with FdB after 4 seasons in the Premiership. Previously we wouldn't have been able to take that gamble as the squad wasn't good enough. The gamble failed, but we still stayed up comfortably with one of the merry go round managers.

Brighton have appointed a frankly average manager from the Championship and are relatively comfortable.

It's worth taking a risk again, rather than just playing 4-4-2 every week and getting overrun by teams that don't get out of second gear. There's now Howe, Franks, Lampard etc available. There's got to be dozens of other managers that we could get who are better the Ray and Roy.

Although, personally, I'd break the bank for Rafa.

I doubt he'd come, but more to the point, do you honestly think the football would be noticeably better under him? Newcastle were awful to watch under him. Roy (or Dyche) achieve much the same for less.

I take your wider point about the league being a closed shop for managers, and agree that every new appointment in the dugout is a gamble to some extent, but that's the point. I don't think enough people see replacing Roy as a gamble - too many think it is bound to be an improvement. It's not.

 

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Arthur Waite Flag Portsmouth 27 Jan 21 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Arthur Waite Add Arthur Waite as a friend

I have read recent comments and picking up on a few:
I think we are in trouble.
However, does the chairman see it that way too? Clearly not.

There is no joy or excitement with Palace at the moment- there hasn't been for some considerable time.
Last night, it was great to take a lead, be in front, be momentarily on the front foot!

However, we know the outcome!

Who's fault?

In any organisation, the leader has to take responsibility. Therefore that falls to SP and RH.

Guaita has literally saved us many, many times, but he seems to have lost all confidence. Butland needs to be brought in now.

Mitchell and Clyne in the main, have done well.

I understand why Kouyate played defence earlier in season, BUT he is not a defender- he needs to go.

For us to score we need to create chances. Townsend is at the end. Why is he playing?
Mac works so hard and at least appears that he wants to win.
Luca is not effective anymore and is an accident waiting to happen with his discipline.

Eze is a star in the making. Please play him in his right position. Why is he stuck out on the left??

Zaha is NOT an out and out striker. Please play him appropriately.

We have nothing to lose (apart from Prem status!), so please play Mateta against Wolves. We NEED something different, but we need to create the chances.

Roy OUT- We need a different manager to ignite and save our season before it is too late.

Supporting Palace used to be fun- this is torture!

 

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 27 Jan 21 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Perhaps quite a few of our supporters would welcome that news given that he has ensured we have survived in the PL in successive seasons, he is tried and trusted and any new manager could pose a significant risk to our survival prospects.

Are you among them, Willo? Our previous security under Roy was based on a defensive solidarity which appears to have abandoned us. In fact, we've got the second worst defence in the league this season.

 


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