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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 04 Feb 21 1.42pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53


It's funny. You look at the table and see us in a comfortable position in the table on 29 points, and probably only requiring a couple of wins and a draw for safety. But I still have to shake my head and look twice because it doesn't feel as if we have had a good season.


I can identify with that. Starting the season with 2 wins (for the first time in the PL), losing a narrow but good game against Everton had me thinking "we might push on this season" and then Chelsea and Brighton and all the optimism disappeared. The Wilfless losses against BUrnley and Newcastle didn't help either.

Looking at the table today and at our last five results and comparing them with the last five of the rest of the PL, I take some comfort from the fact that:
- we've collected as many points (7) as Liverpool. Everton, Spurs and Chelsea, and
- more points than Villa, Leeds, Southampton, Wolves, Newcastle, Burnley, Fulham and WBA.
- the only cloud is that Brighton are catching us.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 04 Feb 21 2.53pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I could watch those clips of prime-era Clough for hours, but maybe he inadvertently helped create the hollow sham managerial interviews of today.

I think perhaps something like this:

1. Managers in the 60s and 70s speak openly. The press make little fuss of it. Neither party knows any different perhaps. Shankly et al engage the press, but to promote their clubs rather than themselves.

2. Clough arrives. His charisma and bombast are as remarkable as his achievements. The press focus on him as much as his team. Clough develops a taste for fame and its benefits. The first celebrity manager is born.

3. Managers comments are now a potentially valuable news story, if they are sensational or controversial. At the same time, British tabloid newspapers begin to mutate into the monstrous scandal-moungers we have had ever since.

4. Sensation and controversy are unwelcome to most clubs and managers. By the late 1980s Dalgleish at Liverpool has perfected the curt, distant one word answer. The objective is clear: Tell these dirty b******s nothing, then they have nothing to use against you.

5. The premier league is born, and everyone must be a star. Managers are compelled, contractually, to deal with more press than ever before. Sensationalism, disproportionate fuss and intrigue become an entire industry.

6. End result: media training for managers.


Personally I think Hodgson speaks well. He is articulate and as honest as he can be. When he managed England I felt he was the wrong coach, but the right man to represent the nation internationally. Certainly more so than Allardyce, Erikson or Capello.

At Palace I don't expect, or want, him to say anything publicly that will compromise the privacy of the dressing room and training ground. I see no evidence that the likes of Mourinho are helping their teams by playing silly buggers when interviewed - mostly they are just boosting their own profile.

Once reason we have stayed up is that the club never seems set to implode on itself. There is no drama, no fuss, no way in for the press to exploit any of the tensions or pressures that must surely be there. A lot of that is down to people like Roy politely declining to get drawn in, but also because his overall message is the right one: whether we win three in a row or lose three in a row, just keep coming to work on Monday morning and doing the right things.

It might not be inspirational, but neither is it flammable and destructive.


Edited by TheBigToePunt (04 Feb 2021 10.44am)

Not sure how you can be the right person to represent a Country as a football manager but be the wrong coach. He’s either right for the job or he is not, unless of course you have come up with a new national role of ‘media representative’ who stays away from tactics but does all the press conferences, which is actually not a bad idea.

Personally I care not how a manager speaks in interviews, I’m only interested in how he coaches and inspires his team.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Not sure how you can be the right person to represent a Country as a football manager but be the wrong coach. He’s either right for the job or he is not, unless of course you have come up with a new national role of ‘media representative’ who stays away from tactics but does all the press conferences, which is actually not a bad idea.

Personally I care not how a manager speaks in interviews, I’m only interested in how he coaches and inspires his team.

Eaglescoops, you a genius.

 

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jeeagles Flag 04 Feb 21 3.17pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Not sure how you can be the right person to represent a Country as a football manager but be the wrong coach. He’s either right for the job or he is not, unless of course you have come up with a new national role of ‘media representative’ who stays away from tactics but does all the press conferences, which is actually not a bad idea.

Personally I care not how a manager speaks in interviews, I’m only interested in how he coaches and inspires his team.

100%. Jobs should be based on ability, not cronyism. Obviously, there should be some criteria to barr people with particularly shady backgrounds, but what kind of message does it send out when the FA appoint someone in their most important role, not because they are capable of doing the job, but because their face fits in all the right circles?

Then that manager goes on to drop a player from the world cup squad because his brother was racially abused by another squad member. His previous record has shown he's willing to overlook human rights abuses if there's a big pay check in it for him.... but he sounds like one of us, so that's OK?

Decisions like that put big organisation on a sticky wicket when it comes to their claims of promoting equal opportunity.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 04 Feb 21 3.20pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Lovely post.

it was so good it could have been one of mine

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 04 Feb 21 4.25pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Not sure how you can be the right person to represent a Country as a football manager but be the wrong coach. He’s either right for the job or he is not, unless of course you have come up with a new national role of ‘media representative’ who stays away from tactics but does all the press conferences, which is actually not a bad idea.

Personally I care not how a manager speaks in interviews, I’m only interested in how he coaches and inspires his team.

Well obviously you are either the right person overall or not, and Hodgson wasn't.

My point, which in context I thought was pretty clear, was that whilst he ultimately failed as a coach he was at least dignified as a man. Some (rare) managers succeed on both fronts, some only one, some neither.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 04 Feb 21 4.44pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

100%. Jobs should be based on ability, not cronyism. Obviously, there should be some criteria to barr people with particularly shady backgrounds, but what kind of message does it send out when the FA appoint someone in their most important role, not because they are capable of doing the job, but because their face fits in all the right circles?

Then that manager goes on to drop a player from the world cup squad because his brother was racially abused by another squad member. His previous record has shown he's willing to overlook human rights abuses if there's a big pay check in it for him.... but he sounds like one of us, so that's OK?

Decisions like that put big organisation on a sticky wicket when it comes to their claims of promoting equal opportunity.

This is wrong.

Hodgson spoke openly at the time about leaving Ferdinand out. Alex Ferguson had confirmed publicly that Ferdinand struggled to play three games in a week (as players must in a tournament), and though Rio was willing to travel and be a sub, Hodgson said the following when asked why Martin Kelly, and not Ferdinand, had been called up to replace Gary Cahill once the latter got injured on the eve of Euro 2012:

'The truth is Rio Ferdinand never came into consideration. I had my squad of 23. I had the players I knew, in Cahill's absence, would probably be the starters, and I knew who would be the covering players. When it came to bringing another player into the squad, I wasn't going to bring in a player of Rio Ferdinand's age, class, background and experience to be a cover player.

"When you've played 81 times already for your country – though only a couple of times in the last few years and had a lot of injuries – I don't think those players go to major tournaments as travellers. They go as one of the first names on the team sheet. I had to be convinced that, if I was going to take Rio in my 23, he would be one of the first names on the team sheet. I couldn't be convinced that would be the case'.

He did the same thing with Ashley Cole in 2014 once he had decided that Leighton Baines was the first choice left back. Or had his brother been racially abused too?

As I've said repeatedly on this poxy thread, I fully respect the many fair and reasonable criticisms of Hodgson, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't, but it's not right to just make s*** up to throw at him.


 

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Originally posted by ex hibitionist


true, but it's a shame we're not still in the cup, sacrificed for safety, although tbf roy did put out a strong XI in the 3rd round v Wolves, it just means that our season will peter out, we'll be safe by the end of this month, then we'll have a repeat of the end of last season when we have nothing to play for, we'll be routinely thrashed again even more so bcos we're playing all the top sides, and fans won't be happy with what they're looking at. I'd rather a dignified transition to a new manager come the summer.


During the ‘safe’ period will be a great chance to blood some juniors. Shame that Banks went out on loan. But there are others warmed up in the u23s.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Feb 21 5.41pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

This is wrong.

Hodgson spoke openly at the time about leaving Ferdinand out. Alex Ferguson had confirmed publicly that Ferdinand struggled to play three games in a week (as players must in a tournament), and though Rio was willing to travel and be a sub, Hodgson said the following when asked why Martin Kelly, and not Ferdinand, had been called up to replace Gary Cahill once the latter got injured on the eve of Euro 2012:

'The truth is Rio Ferdinand never came into consideration. I had my squad of 23. I had the players I knew, in Cahill's absence, would probably be the starters, and I knew who would be the covering players. When it came to bringing another player into the squad, I wasn't going to bring in a player of Rio Ferdinand's age, class, background and experience to be a cover player.

"When you've played 81 times already for your country – though only a couple of times in the last few years and had a lot of injuries – I don't think those players go to major tournaments as travellers. They go as one of the first names on the team sheet. I had to be convinced that, if I was going to take Rio in my 23, he would be one of the first names on the team sheet. I couldn't be convinced that would be the case'.

He did the same thing with Ashley Cole in 2014 once he had decided that Leighton Baines was the first choice left back. Or had his brother been racially abused too?

As I've said repeatedly on this poxy thread, I fully respect the many fair and reasonable criticisms of Hodgson, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't, but it's not right to just make s*** up to throw at him.


Nobody needs to make sh1t up about Hodgson and England. Ultimately, he made an entire sh1t job of it all on his own. I think the whole episode is best forgotten - this is just making me remember that Iceland game. I don't hold it against Roy, he's been OK for us.

Edited by ASCPFC (04 Feb 2021 5.41pm)

 


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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 04 Feb 21 5.45pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I think the point with Hodgson is that he guards against having a bad one.

Spot on.

 


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jeeagles Flag 04 Feb 21 6.17pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

This is wrong.

Hodgson spoke openly at the time about leaving Ferdinand out. Alex Ferguson had confirmed publicly that Ferdinand struggled to play three games in a week (as players must in a tournament), and though Rio was willing to travel and be a sub, Hodgson said the following when asked why Martin Kelly, and not Ferdinand, had been called up to replace Gary Cahill once the latter got injured on the eve of Euro 2012:

'The truth is Rio Ferdinand never came into consideration. I had my squad of 23. I had the players I knew, in Cahill's absence, would probably be the starters, and I knew who would be the covering players. When it came to bringing another player into the squad, I wasn't going to bring in a player of Rio Ferdinand's age, class, background and experience to be a cover player.

"When you've played 81 times already for your country – though only a couple of times in the last few years and had a lot of injuries – I don't think those players go to major tournaments as travellers. They go as one of the first names on the team sheet. I had to be convinced that, if I was going to take Rio in my 23, he would be one of the first names on the team sheet. I couldn't be convinced that would be the case'.

He did the same thing with Ashley Cole in 2014 once he had decided that Leighton Baines was the first choice left back. Or had his brother been racially abused too?

As I've said repeatedly on this poxy thread, I fully respect the many fair and reasonable criticisms of Hodgson, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't, but it's not right to just make s*** up to throw at him.


Blimy, Fergie tried to discourage someone playing for England. That's a first!

I never thought I'd see the day where someone would use Roy's choice to select Kelly for England as part of an argument to defend him.

Edited by jeeagles (04 Feb 2021 6.23pm)

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

Blimy, Fergie tried to discourage someone playing for England. That's a first!

I never thought I'd see the day where someone would use Roy's choice to select Kelly for England as part of an argument to defend him.

Edited by jeeagles (04 Feb 2021 6.23pm)

I'm not, and you're avoiding the point.

You said Hodgson left Rio out of Euro 2012 because Anton had been racially abused. Plainly, on the facts, he didn't. Not even close.

Still, you don't like Hodgson so just make s*** up about him eh?

 

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