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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 18 May 21 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

As far as I can see the idea the military managed this is Government spin. Why decry the service we have all depended upon? When push comes to shove British people are good at taking initiative.

And itís roll not role.

Just had my 2nd jab. The organisation has been excellent, totally organised by NHS as far as I can see. Not sure how you can say itís Govt spin when Jeeagles appears to be the only one who mentioned it.

Edited by Spiderman (18 May 2021 10.31pm)

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 May 21 10.56pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Just had my 2nd jab. The organisation has been excellent, totally organised by NHS as far as I can see. Not sure how you can say itís Govt spin when Jeeagles appears to be the only one who mentioned it.

Edited by Spiderman (18 May 2021 10.31pm)

Too be honest when I had my jab I got the same impression. The NHS pulling together and organising in a time of need. When I received my jab funnily enough the guy even said, imagine if this had been left to the government or others to sort. Credit to them.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 May 21 11.02pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I think Burnham is correct about speeding up the vaccine rollout.

The best way to stop this spreading and possibly morphing into something else is to vaccinate as many people as possible.

The 18-35 group is most at risk now because they haven't been offered it and they are the most likely to mix indoors e.g. pubs and nightclubs.

The quicker everyone has been offered the jab the better. After that the refusniks are on their own.

Edited by Badger11 (18 May 2021 4.38pm)

It's a tricky one as it does seem to be the case that a longer gap is preferable in some ways. Still, rather a shorter gap not people not having both jabs. It's a shame, as you say, that those likely to increase the rate of spread haven't been vaccinated (people seem to fail to acknowledge that as a factor in a kind of 'im alright jack' 'it won't harm me' fashion). Speeding up the rollout gives everything the option at least, and then if people end up hospitalised through not bothering they only have one person to blame. Most people do the right and sensible thing at least.

Edited by BlueJay (18 May 2021 11.03pm)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 May 21 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Just had my 2nd jab. The organisation has been excellent, totally organised by NHS as far as I can see. Not sure how you can say itís Govt spin when Jeeagles appears to be the only one who mentioned it.

Edited by Spiderman (18 May 2021 10.31pm)

Some bloke named Boris. Apparently a kind of Government spokesman. 7 January.

The Army will use "battle preparation techniques" to help achieve the vaccination goal.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 May 21 11.14pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Some bloke named Boris. Apparently a kind of Government spokesman. 7 January.

The Army will use "battle preparation techniques" to help achieve the vaccination goal.

Well the figures indicate that it worked.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 19 May 21 12.36am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Some bloke named Boris. Apparently a kind of Government spokesman. 7 January.

The Army will use "battle preparation techniques" to help achieve the vaccination goal.

It's the usual flag waving guff stuff rather than reality. Trying to invoke a 'feeling'. A bit like Theresa and her 'red, white and blue Brexit'. The facts on the ground show that the NHS did the job.

 

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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 19 May 21 4.02am Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

So why then complain about queues at Border Control? If we should protect our Borders that entails queues..right? I have always said we should have completely shut our borders but then you wouldnít have been able to travel here, presumably you did as you complained about queues at Heathrow. So should we have shut the borders to everyone? You will be surprised how many people suddenly have to travel on urgent business and have to take family with them. Why did you travel?


The queues at border control at Heathrow are nothing to do with 'control'. In fact they were 'out of control' due to putting far too few staff on to handle those that were arriving. These were scheduled aircraft arrivals, not just appearing out of the blue and numbers on board these aircrafts were well known in advance. The total lack of segregation between those arriving from India and other areas of much less risk, even green risk areas was a huge and elementary mistake, causing huge potential for virus spread. Why not have immigration much closer to the gates as they do in many other European airports where you will find a handful of immigration booths serving a handful of gates? Everything at Heathrow and Gatwick is designed for those who are paid to work there and not for those who are paying to use them, totally the wrong way around.

 


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I am surprised at the lack of government intervention over the mixing of red and other countries. A few weeks ago the government "asked" Heathrow to consider using terminal 4 for red countries.

Asked? Heathrow and the airline should be Told they imported this mess into the country and have taken taxpayers money if they want to survive and have a 3rd runway they had better sort it out or else.

The same goes with the airlines in theory they should be fined for not checking documentation before boarding very few have been which adds to the queues, time to get tough.

Edited by Badger11 (19 May 2021 7.39am)

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 19 May 21 7.52am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290


The queues at border control at Heathrow are nothing to do with 'control'. In fact they were 'out of control' due to putting far too few staff on to handle those that were arriving. These were scheduled aircraft arrivals, not just appearing out of the blue and numbers on board these aircrafts were well known in advance. The total lack of segregation between those arriving from India and other areas of much less risk, even green risk areas was a huge and elementary mistake, causing huge potential for virus spread. Why not have immigration much closer to the gates as they do in many other European airports where you will find a handful of immigration booths serving a handful of gates? Everything at Heathrow and Gatwick is designed for those who are paid to work there and not for those who are paying to use them, totally the wrong way around.

If you think Airport Authorities think more of the staff than passengers you are so wrong ( in fact they only think about money/profit). Staff accommodation is basic and rarely refurbished. Staff, who finish work at all hours, have to park well away from the Terminals, usually involving a bus ride to the car parks.
The layout of the Airports is the responsibility of the Airport Authorities, BC have no say in it... fact! I actually was involved in meetings with the airport authorities on many occasions but if you know better... well done.
As a matter of interest why were you travelling through Heathrow during the pandemic? Serious question

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 19 May 21 7.53am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Some bloke named Boris. Apparently a kind of Government spokesman. 7 January.

The Army will use "battle preparation techniques" to help achieve the vaccination goal.

Thanks I had not seen that comment

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

I am surprised at the lack of government intervention over the mixing of red and other countries. A few weeks ago the government "asked" Heathrow to consider using terminal 4 for red countries.

Asked? Heathrow and the airline should be Told they imported this mess into the country and have taken taxpayers money if they want to survive and have a 3rd runway they had better sort it out or else.

The same goes with the airlines in theory they should be fined for not checking documentation before boarding very few have been which adds to the queues, time to get tough.

Edited by Badger11 (19 May 2021 7.39am)

I totally agree with your first comments. It was always a mystery to me why, Immigration/Customs did have not have more control over such matters, bearing in mind that, without their presence, the Airport s cannot legally operate. Put it down to weak management or Government not bothered to intervene, perhaps they should not be privately owned. Gatwick is owned by a Nigerian!
Airlines are being issued with fines, as are passengers, my wife issued them on a daily basis. It has been the case for years that if an airline carried a visa National without a visa, they were fined £2000. Unfortunately certain airlines refused to pay and preferred a protracted legal battle. Personally I would have stopped them flying but maybe the travel industry have too much influence over the Government ( whichever Govt it may be)
Just one other point about segregation of red countries arrivals, if they have direct that would not be a problem but many travel from red countries but transit via somewhere else. Although their travel itinerary is available to control authorities, they will not have landed at T4 ( hope this makes sense!)

Edited by Spiderman (19 May 2021 8.09am)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 May 21 8.14am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Some bloke named Boris. Apparently a kind of Government spokesman. 7 January.

The Army will use "battle preparation techniques" to help achieve the vaccination goal.

My understanding was that the army would be responsible for the logistics / planning for moving the vaccine around the country.

I assume this meant that AZ or Pfizer would deliver the vaccine to one location and then somebody would need to ensure it was broken down and sent to the various locations. The army may not have actually moved it just come up with the plan.

As you know I volunteer at a vaccine centre I have seen the Army and Air Force medics loads of times they do a good job it's a pleasure to work along side them.

 


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